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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:26 AM

Feinstein gun bill plugs state ban holes

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Feinstein-gun-bill-plugs-state-ban-holes-4246558.php

Sen. Dianne Feinstein's push for a national ban on the sale of assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines is focusing attention on California's decision 23 years ago to prohibit some military-style guns, a pioneering move that also sprang from a school massacre.

But while Feinstein's bill is patterned after the California ban, it seeks to avoid some of the pitfalls of a state law that still stirs fierce debate - over whether it is fair, whether it has made people safer, and whether loopholes have rendered it meaningless.

The California ban outlawed the sale of some rifles and pistols capable of rapid-fire attacks, but left many others legal. It survived court challenges, but gun makers found ways around it, selling firearms that were similar to banned ones.

Guns purchased before the ban were protected by a grandfather clause. And criminals exploited looser gun-buying laws in Nevada, Arizona and other nearby states, bringing forbidden weapons back over the border.

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Reply Feinstein gun bill plugs state ban holes (Original post)
jpak Feb 2013 OP
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #1
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #2
jpak Feb 2013 #4
ileus Feb 2013 #25
nick of time Feb 2013 #3
jpak Feb 2013 #5
nick of time Feb 2013 #6
jpak Feb 2013 #8
nick of time Feb 2013 #10
jpak Feb 2013 #11
nick of time Feb 2013 #12
jpak Feb 2013 #13
nick of time Feb 2013 #16
nick of time Feb 2013 #14
jpak Feb 2013 #15
nick of time Feb 2013 #17
jpak Feb 2013 #18
nick of time Feb 2013 #19
Puha Ekapi Feb 2013 #7
jpak Feb 2013 #9
Puha Ekapi Feb 2013 #20
hack89 Feb 2013 #21
jpak Feb 2013 #22
hack89 Feb 2013 #23
guardian Feb 2013 #24
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2013 #27
Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #26

Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:29 AM

1. The sound of...

...knees jerking...

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:42 AM

2. The good news is that the new DiFi bill is going nowhere

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:56 AM

4. I'm bulliish on gun massacres - they're going places!

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:13 PM

25. let's hope you're right....disarming me doesn't make my family safer.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:43 AM

3. Feinstein's AWB is DOA.

 

There are now at least 6 red state Dems opposed, Sen. Susan Collins is saying she will oppose it despite her voting for the last one, Reid and Leahy are refusing to endorse it.
Feinstein pretty much ruined her chances of getting it through the Senate when she refused to vote for the talking filibuster, and the House is controlled by the repukes.
Did I get anything wrong?

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Response to nick of time (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:58 AM

5. Snowe is gone - and there are only 2 red-state Dems that actually oppose it

Leahy and Reid have not ENDORSED it - they have not OPPOSED it either.

try again

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:05 AM

6. Sorry, I meant Susan Collins.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html



The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.


Add another red state Dem who has come out against it, Joe Donnelly D-IN.

Where am I wrong?
I know how bad you want this, but you're just going to have to face the fact that Feinstein's AWB is not going to happen.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:55 PM

8. Collins is a repug - what do you expect from her?

"expressed skepticism" is not the same thing as "will vote against".

King has not opposed the ban - he is Cool Toward It...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/angus-king-weapons-ban_n_2502367.html

Try again.

Yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:07 PM

10. Your own link says he probably won't support and that's

 

from 1/18/2013, the link I posted is from 1/25/2013.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html

The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.



Sounds like he's made up his mind.
Susan Collins supported the last AWB and now she opposes an new AWB.
Face the fact, Feinstein's new AWB is DOA. You, my friend, are grasping at straws.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:10 PM

11. He's my Senator and he hasn't made up his mind

too bad.

Try again

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:12 PM

12. The evidence says otherwise.

 

The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:18 PM

13. Make-believe is not evidence

"But he said he hasn't decided whether to embrace the president's call to ban new assault weapons."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/angus-king-weapons-ban_n_2502367.html

Enjoy your stay on Fantasy Island!

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:23 PM

16. One more time.

 

Here's the date of your link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/angus-king-weapons-ban_n_2502367.html

Here's the date of my link:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html

Where am I wrong or living on Fantasy Island?

It's really ok to face reality and admit that the AWB is DOA.

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Response to jpak (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:20 PM

14. You went from he's cool with it

 

to he hasn't made up his mind. Which is it?
Also your quoting from an article from 1/18/2013 while my article is from 1/25/2013.
Sure sounds like he's made up his mind.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:23 PM

15. He hasn't made up his mind and is cool with it.

duh

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Response to jpak (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:25 PM

17. I'm very sorry that you can't admit that you're wrong.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html

The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:34 PM

18. Oh I'm right

It is YOU that is wrong.

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Response to jpak (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:38 PM

19. Uh huh.

 

I've already proven you're wrong, so if you say I'm wrong, then provide the proof, otherwise your saying so doesn't make it so.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:53 AM

7. The bill...

....is still an abortion of cosmetic idiocy, banning some on the basis of *scariness* factors while allowing functionally identical equivalents that don't have things like pistol grips or barrel shrouds. It is not legislation designed to improve public safety in any way, rather, it appears more like a middle finger aimed at gun owners.

And it will rightfully fail.

yup

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Response to Puha Ekapi (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:57 PM

9. NRA douchebaggery is the ultimate abortion of cosmetic idiocy

and rightly fails

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:49 PM

20. You had something...

...to say in response to my post? It must have been lost in your jumbled word salad.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:02 PM

21. The stupidity of the AWB in two pictures

This gun is specifically called out in the legislation as being illegal under the AWB:




This gun is specifically called out in the legislation as being legal under the AWB:



They are both Ruger Mini-14s

http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14TacticalRifle/models.html

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Response to hack89 (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:19 PM

22. The top one is for assholes who fear Black Helicopters

and would be rightly banned.

The bottom variant needs a 7 round clip to be OK.

Yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:26 PM

23. They are the same weapon.

why not the top gun with a 7 round clip?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:07 PM

24. Because

 

pistol grips make antigunners think about penises. And barrel shrouds remind them of condoms. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry scary.

Assault whale with 'pistol grip'

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Response to guardian (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:52 PM

27. Having a pistol grip...

...makes a gun "look" deadly, kind of like a racing stripe makes a car "look" fast.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:37 PM

26. some are in denial

you can lead a horse to water .........................

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