So here is a modest proposal regarding magazine sizes.

[iiibbb]

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Just brainstorming

Rather than limit the capacity of magazines... why not limit the number of rounds that one can have loaded in magazines, or speed loaders, in their possession, regardless of their capacity, while away from their home or at a shooting range?

We could make that limit 20 or 30 rounds.

Then, I could go hunting with my Glock 19 with 15 rounds in my magazine and no spares; which is what I do for my feral dog concerns while hunting (because if I have a run-in with attacking dogs, I don't want to muck around with magazine changes). Others who carry concealed in a traditional manner might only have 2 or 3 magazines with 20 or 30 rounds total. Cops could carry as many as they care to.


Rampagers would be stuck; right?


Doesn't that feel just as good as Feinstein's bill which limits you to having a 10-round magazine limit, but you can carry around as many magazines as you want?


Edited to add:

I am a gun rights person looking to bring something to the table, which we are accused of not doing. My proposal does not interfere with anyone's legitimate use, but still addresses many of the concerns expressed from gun-control's side. And in the off chance a cop pulls a crazed person on the way to a rampage, something tangible to hang their arrest on. Something Feinstein's bill doesn't do.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. Rampagers don't give a shit. That is why they are on a Rampage. Write all the laws you want.

[iiibbb]

3. Indeed-- you didn't catch the "feel good" element did you.

My proposal would at least give probably cause say Rampager-X got traffic stopped on the way to the school without really interfering with law-abiding activities.

Feinstein's proposal does diddlesquat.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. no. I caught it alright. Write more laws. Words without actions are meaningless, to me. YMMV.

[iiibbb]

6. Well, I am just trying to be a gun-rights person bringing something to the table....

which is what we are accused of not doing. This is a proposal that doesn't interfere with legitimate uses, but does address many specific concerns outlined by the gun-control side.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

7. yeah, I know. Good luck with it. . Murder and Rampage are NOT legitimate.

Legitimate should be defined by what it is NOT; not by what it is. imo. YMMV

[iiibbb]

10. I don't disagree

But it is in our interest to define a conversation with better proposals.

The inability of Republicans to adapt on gay rights, environmental issue etc, are eroding their control.

If we show no mobility, we might get what's foisted on us. If we come up with better ideas than they do, we get something we can live with.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

11. There are laws already in place. We just need to enforce and abide by them. We need to define and

asses and help our mentally ill and our PTSD and our children and our abuse victims. such a complicated issue as this will NOT be solved by writing more gun laws, imvho. YMMV.

[Buzz Clik]

2. We have something similar already: you may own weapons, but you are not allowed to murder with them.

The problem is the ease with which a law is violated and difficulties in enforcement.

[iiibbb]

5. Yes, but I am looking for a compromise

This law would interfere with no law-abiding use-- but might appease those who feel gun-rights people are bringing nothing to the table.

It does provide an opening that _if_ an officer were to encounter a person on their way to a rampage, they would have something tangible in terms of probable cause.

[Buzz Clik]

8. The cop has to take the clip and count the rounds?

He'd need probable cause and maybe a warrant.

Screw the compromise. You need to fight off feral dogs, carry the extra clips.

[iiibbb]

9. Nope... first count is just the magazines...

If you had 3 magazines marked as 15-rounders, or 4 magazines marked as 10-rounders, and a bullet in each one, he'd have probable cause to count them at that point; no warrant needed.

If you had 3 magazines marked as 7 or 10 rounders, he would not have cause and you would not be in violation anyway.


I'll never say screw compromise. All proposals should be heard and discussed on merit. "screw compromise" is a lousy reason to do anything.

[SayWut]

12. A cop would need a warrant (or permission), to search the trunk of a vehicle,

or conduct a through search of the vehicles interior.

Rule #1: in any traffic stop situation is never...never give an LEO permission to search
your vehicle. If asked pointed questions, respond with "I have nothing illegal in my possession or in my vehicle and I do not consent to search". This should be a standard reply at all times, and in all circumstances.

Rule #2: although it might be an exercise in futility, at least make a genuine effort to avoid getting pulled over to start with. Obey all traffic signs, lights, speed limits. Ensure that your vehicles lights, turn signals, etc are in operating order, no obstructed license plate, cracked windshield, have your registration and insurance up to date, etc.
I know the response will be that if no reason exists for an LEO to pull you over, that he/she will make on up, but unless you happen to live in an area known for over zealous cops, or a community that relies heavily on traffic citations, no cop is going to go out of their way when there are plenty of valid. legitimate scofflaws on the road.

[SayWut]

13. Load and carry the mags in a legal fashion, have additional loose or boxed ammo,

and load the mags up to full capacity just prior to your "rampage".
Or would carrying additional ammo be illegal also?

[kudzu22]

14. Magazine limits have zero effect on spree killing body count

Since they can reload at will. You'd have to ban and confiscate all semi-autos regardless of magazine capacity to have any effect, and nobody has that political will at this point.

Similarly, regulating how many rounds you can have on your person is equally meaningless, since a spree killer is not going to obey, and the chances of stopping him in traffic on his way to the slaughter are infinitesimal.