Senate Judiciary chair rejects Dianne Feinstein’s assault weapons ban.

[SayWut]

Stick a fork in it, it's done.

"The Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee did not endorse colleague Dianne Feinstein’s assault weapons ban at a packed Capitol Hill hearing on guns Wednesday in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shooting.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., called for “common sense reform,” that closes loopholes in current gun laws and enforces background checks. Buthe did not endorse Feinstein’s tougher ban. “I know gun store owners in Vermont,” Leahy said. “They follow the law and conduct background checks…why should we not try to plug the loopholes in the law that allow (criminals and the mentally ill) to buy guns without background checks?”

The rebuffed California Democrat plans to hold her own hearing in her Judiciary subcommittee on her legislation, which is strongly opposed by the National Rifle Association. Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has also refused to back a ban on military-style weapons and high-capacity clips. Reid’s position reflects the political fact that a whole bevy of conservative Democrats do not support Feinstein’s ban."

http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2013/01/30/senate-judiciary-chair-rejects-dianne-feinstein%E2%80%99s-assault-weapons-ban

[holdencaufield]

1. Mmmmmm.... tasty

[Remmah2]

2. The opportunity was there to make some progress but they got greedy.

and they still can't get that clip and barrel shroud thingy right.

[holdencaufield]

3. Barrel Shroud Thingy

-- that's an industry term

[SayWut]

4. That's what will end up killing a lot of pending gun control legislation.

Greed and over zealousness.
It's gone beyond any pretense of pubic safety and keeping firearms out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.
New Yorks current legislation is a prime example of biting off more than they can chew, getting in over their heads.

[Remmah2]

5. I hope it will act as a wake up call to gun owners to take care of their inanimate objects.

The world seems to have a surplus of stupid people (some of them without guns.) ALL people need to be responsible for themselves. There are some people that will just not grow up.

[lastlib]

14. and probably more than a few kids

(there was never any pretense of "pubic safety"/sic/--if you want to shoot off your own nuts, go right ahead. Just don't shoot off anybody else's......)

[jpak]

6. Where does it say he rejected it?

nowhere

yup

[nick of time]

7. The AWB is DOA.

You now have 5-7 red state Dems opposing it, Leahy and Reid are not endorsing it, and Feinstein has pretty much guaranteed it won't pass due to her refusing to vote for the talking filibuster.
So in essence, she scuttled her own bill.
You just can't make this shit up.

Oh yeah, it wouldn't have ever made it through the repuke controlled House.

[jpak]

9. ummmm

http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20130131/NEWS04/701319903

[nick of time]

10. While it was a moving moment.

It's not going to make any difference. Joe Donnelly D-IN, came out today against it, so that makes appox. 6 red state Dems that oppose a new AWB, Leahy and Reid won't endorse it, Feinstein scuttled her own bill by refusing to vote for the talking filibuster, and the House won't pass it.
Where am I wrong?

[jpak]

12. Only Donnelly and Pryor have said fore certain that they oppose it.

Reid and Leahy have not openly endorsed the AWB.

Nor have they clearly rejected it.

It's called "politics".

Big Diff.

yup

[nick of time]

13. Read it and weep.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html

The five Democratic senators from traditionally pro-gun states who have expressed skepticism about the bill are Max Baucus and Jon Tester of Montana, Mark Begich of Alaska, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia. Independent Senator Angus King of Maine, who caucuses with Democrats, also said he opposes a ban.

Maine Senator Susan Collins, a Republican who supported similar legislation in 2004, has indicated she is unlikely to back the proposed ban in its current form.

[SayWut]

19. Bad move on her part going against the wishes of her boss WRT filibuster reform.

In the end, she pisses off Reid, and leaves open the possibility of a filibuster of her bill, if it even makes it to the Senate floor.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

8. Reminds me of...

...some lyrics:

"Burns like a red coal carpet
Mad bull lost its way"
- MJ

[slackmaster]

11. She'll never give up. It's a personal thing for her.

Which is in itself a good reason to nip it in the bud.

[SayWut]

18. She'll be back, that's for certain.

She'll probably go back to the drawing board and come back with a less restrictive AWB and see if that one flys (she already backed off from her previous scheme of including "assault rifles in the NFA registry).

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

15. And this is what happens to grossly overreaching emotional reactionary legislation.

For all those screaming, "WE'VE GOT TO SOMETHING NOW GODDAMNIT!" ... the NRA thanks you. Hell, all they've been able to accomplish is to shoot themselves in the foot every time LaPierre opens his mouth. In the past several weeks you've done more to hurt the gun control cause than any of the dues-paying NRA members.

Go ahead, pat yourself on the back.

There is a reason both Biden and Obama suggest both sides need to be taken into account and a rational discussion and compromise needs to take place. And now Feinstein's effort has unfortunately had an example made of it.

[ManiacJoe]

16. But she does get to pay it lip service at election time

by being able to claim she proposed it.

[sylvi]

17. So, is this the "tipping point"

So, is this the "tipping point" the grab nuts said we were reaching? I hope so.

Now that the adults in the Senate have asserted themselves, maybe we can put this superstitious dread of one type of firearm behind us for a while. I hope it hasn't damaged our chances for the mid-terms.

[littlewolf]

20. I hope so .. also hope that it will allow

prices to drop. and ammo to get caught up.
wanting a .308 and a Ruger 10/22 everyone is out. *sigh*

[Ashgrey77]

23. Been wanting a FN Scar 17s myself.

I had almost saved up the 3k for one and bam they promptly sold out and then went up to 5k+ because of the panic. I'm hoping this will calm everyone down and then stock and prices can return to normal down the road.

[Pullo]

21. Just think of the explosion in AR-15 sales this farce has caused

and its going to take a loooong time to revert to the previous mean, if it ever does. The anti-gun contingent has achieved what the gun industry could only dream of before.

I love the smell of irony in the morning.

[FamilyMan]

22. Gun bans don't work

There are many Democratic gun owners such as myself that would jump ship if even half of Feinstein's bill made it through. Australia's crime rate skyrocketed 40% after their ban, Great Britain's crime rate is higher, and almost every state that has implemented a Concealed Weapons Permit law has seen crime rate drops as much as almost 20% in some cases. That's why Feinstein has to pull at heart strings instead of showing factual stats, because the facts aren't on her side. The AR15 is the most versatile and popular rifle that can be used for hunting with a restricted capacity 5rd mag or home defense with the standard capacity 20 round mag they come with, the .223 caliber of the AR15 is a popular deer caliber and it's a weak caliber when compared to the much higher powered bolt action rifles that can penetrate 10-12 interior walls of a house...but no one wants to ban those because they have wood furniture instead of evil looking plastic.

As far as what Obama has done for the firearms industry (copied and pasted from another site):

Status of gun industry

Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told.

Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted...

Related commentary from Bob Owens :
They didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with market demand. It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands, M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20—were gone. So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it.

[Kolesar]

26. More RW NRA talking points/nuttery

starting with your thread title.

As for " what Obama has done", I would reckon that you have never knocked on a door for a Democratic candidate.

[FamilyMan]

32. Knocked on doors...

My spouse was top producer in our area for new Democratic sign-ups this past election volunteering for the Obama campaign...now you owe an apology.

And they are called 'facts', not talking points.

Almost all of the Democrats up for re-election are in heavily red states, the Republicans got lucky and they are up in red states...it couldn't be worse for our party, especially since Dem turn-out is always weak during mid-terms. This is exactly how it played out with Clinton. We may of volunteered for Obama, but just like last time we will have NO problem jumping ship when it comes to this.

[virginia mountainman]

24. I wonder what the damage will be at the polls??

These pushes for gun control, tends to decimate us on election day? And even if we ONLY loose one seat over this, was the lip service worth it?

[bubbayugga]

25. why should we not try to plug the loopholes in the law that allow (criminals and the mentally ill)

why should we not try to plug the loopholes in the law that allow (criminals and the mentally ill) checks?”

Criminals will still get guns via the black market. they may become pricier as the black market will have to resort to stealing more firearms to meet the demand previously filled with straw purchases and shady dealers but criminals will still/always get guns. Guaranteed. The mentally ill may have a tougher time getting guns, having less access to the black market, but where there is a will, there will always be a way. Having completely failed to address all the underlying factors that lead to psychotic breaks like we saw in Aurora and Sandy hook, we can be sure, we will have plenty of similar tragedies in the future to talk about. Guaranteed. Actual solutions are always harder than tough talk and feel good legislation.

[Kolesar]

27. "where there is a will, there will always be a way."

Well, golly shucks, just get used to blood on the walls of the kindergarten classroom.

[bubbayugga]

28. I think you better prepare yourself for a lot more blood on the walls and on the streets.

You don't have to get used to it, but you aren't going to stop it. It's too late for that. There will always be psychosuicidal personalities in our society that will seek to unleash their psychotic rage on this society and they will always have access to various means to do so and there will always be unprotected target rich environments for them to go after.

This is, to a very large extent, a product of 60+ years of deinstitutionalisation and, unless we can find a way to cure crazy, it's probably going to get worse. Psychotropics helped but obviously they have their shortcomings i.e. non-compliance, lack of access, failure to recognize and treat early onset schizophrenia, side effects, lack of overall efficasy in certain cases, social stigmas, illicit drug use, etc.

Hopefully, we can yet salvage something in this debate that will help to prevent them from obtaining firearms but we have to remember that just because they're crazy, it doesn't mean they're all stupid and/or without means. Many are of course but many aren't. If they want a gun, and can't buy one legally, they will find one on the black market eventually or else they'll find another way.

Then there's the straight up criminals themselves. You just aren't going to stop them in any capacity. Maybe if you were to declare martial law and treat the streets of America like the streets of Fallujah but we know that isn't going to happen.

Looks like a lot of bloodshed in our future IMHO. That's all I'm saying.

[Kolesar]

29. You don't make a case for racketeers to have these weapons on the blocks of Cleveland

Even the RW-gun enthusiasts admit that the real death tallies are not the mass murderers. It's people getting killed at a rate of one or two per incident.

[bubbayugga]

30. blood on the streets, blood on the rocks, blood in the gutter, every last drop

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. Oh please-people like you have been saying here they'll be blood in the streets for YEARS...

In fact, if you search the term "blood in the streets", you'll get over 6 million results...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=79133

Where's the blood in the streets?

Oh, yeah, it's still in the realm of "you just wait and see, any day now"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117285672#post3

Governor Quinn, a gun grabber in the Daley mold, promised to veto it if it reached his desk, so we're working on the 6 votes we need to over ride him. He and his buddy Rahm are still talking about "blood in the streets", "shoot outs over traffic accidents" and all the other hogwash that never came to pass in 49 other states.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/117236603

April 8, 2012, marked the anniversary of a law that affects the lives of more than 270,000 Buckeyes.

Ohio’s concealed-handgun license law turned 8 years old on that Sunday afternoon.

Notably absent from the festivities were blood in the streets, Wild West reenactments and an epidemic of accidental gun injuries. To understand the significance of this event and why today it seems completely unremarkable, simply Google “Ohio concealed carry 2003” and prepare to be astonished.

• “The widespread carrying of concealed handguns, however, will result in far more cases of senseless killings that occur simply because a loaded gun was readily available.” — Ohio Prosecuting Attorneys Association, March 4, 2003.

• “Imagine your child’s class is visiting the Statehouse on the same day a group known for violence is scheduled to attend in protest.” — State Highway Patrol, March 5, 2003.

• “If 200,000 to 300,000 citizens begin carrying a concealed weapon, common sense tells us that accidents will become a daily event.” — Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police, March 5, 2003.

[bubbayugga]

37. I believe you have misunderstood my point.

[FamilyMan]

33. You gonna' ban Home Depot and Lowes too ?

Any kid can go to Home Depot or Lowes and build an IED (for cheap) that would easily take out an entire wing of a school...you going to ban fertilizer and steel pipe?

[FamilyMan]

34. Black market

They get them from black market central American arms dealers at an average price of $75-125 per rifle, same rifle costs $1,200 at a retail store or show, that's one of the main reasons gun control doesn't effect criminals (only honest people). And the 'loophole' at gun shows is that a private owner can bring in a firearm (after it's checked by police) and sell it if someone walking around offers to buy it. This is not the norm (I've been to a lot of shows) and you will never see any cartel or gang members at these shows as some try to make one falsely believe. Mainly older middle aged/retired people and a lot of off-duty law enforcement officers attend these shows, and EVERY vendor there runs background checks on ALL purchases. Gun shops have zero motivation to break laws since no criminal is going to pay $1,000+ for a rifle when he can get it for $100 from a central American arms dealer, and the profit margin is small on firearms so their is no financial motivation for the dealers to break the law.

[Eleanors38]

31. The sad thing here us that some kind of action could have been taken...

In the area of opening NICS to states who want to opt in (hopefully this can still be done), and providing fed funds for schools who wish to opt in for better security (not the Boxer nat'l guard behemoth).

But the controllers poisoned the well here and nation-wide with their self-indulgent, holier-than-thou prohibition campaign which only served to deepen a hateful culture war. And they are just too righteous to give up the slash & burn smear stuff in DU.

And they speak of RW trolls! Who needs them when controllers already serve their interests?