Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:54 AM
SecularMotion (3,245 posts)
Gun laws must be driven by common sense
I'm a strong 2nd Amendment advocate, absolutely. But, every right and every law must be driven by common sense. The idea of opening up college campuses to guns cannot be reconciled with wisdom. Just ask those who will be forced to manage the consequences.
- - - - - - - "Weapons on campus create a whole, other dimension," Corich says. "Currently officers try to be very understanding." But if there's a high potential of weapons, of suspects being better armed than police, he says, tactics will change. My straw poll shows strong opposition from faculty. Barry Vaughn, spokesman for the Maricopa Community College Faculty Association, points out that faculty who carry would be viewed as protectors, as "quasi-law enforcement personnel ... contrary to the nature of higher education faculty." He says, "We are teachers and scholars, not police." Something parents and students need to remember: Police and lives depend on clarity in a violent situation. http://www.ahwatukee.com/news/valley_and_state/article_f0d75ccc-debc-54cc-b8cb-92c31fe597e2.html
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| SecularMotion | Jan 2012 | OP | |
| slackmaster | Jan 2012 | #1 | |
| X_Digger | Jan 2012 | #2 | |
| aikoaiko | Jan 2012 | #3 | |
| S_B_Jackson | Jan 2012 | #4 | |
| PavePusher | Jan 2012 | #5 | |
| rl6214 | Jan 2012 | #6 | |
| oneshooter | Jan 2012 | #7 |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:57 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
1. My problem with common sense is that there is no such thing as common sense
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If there was really a shared sensibility among humans that produced accurate answers to tough questions, then why do we have things like reason, logic, and the scientific method?
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:37 AM
X_Digger (13,259 posts)
2. What actual increase in violence has been seen in the 70+ campuses..
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that do not restrict concealed carry?
You have an empirical data set to analyze. Should be a piece of cake. *taps foot* |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:42 AM
aikoaiko (16,621 posts)
3. No one has made a case for why 21+yr olds who meet the criteria for concealed carry off campus...
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...are somehow more dangerous on campus and therefore on campus carry should be prohibited. Police must assume that anyone is armed when they approach people on campus whether concealed carry is allowed or not. |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:55 AM
S_B_Jackson (699 posts)
4. Your definition of common sensing being "whatever opinion I have"? ?
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When you can demonstrate that concealed carry on the many college campuses where it is already legal, perhaps I might be persuaded to your view. But the fact is that it has not presented as an issue.
Civil liberties should not be curtailed or infringed by the government absent a compelling state interests - and interest which you have yet to reasonably articulate. |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:27 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
5. Have legal, permitted carriers been the source of significant amounts of crime on college campuses?
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Yes or no answer please.
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:32 AM
rl6214 (7,533 posts)
6. The "common sense" of the gun control groups is
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we keep getting new laws passed against concealed carry and different types of weapons and the pro gun side gets nothing in return...take, take, take and then take some more.
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Response to rl6214 (Reply #6)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:35 AM
oneshooter (5,949 posts)
7. Don't expect an answer, or at least an honest answer.
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As such does not support his agenda.
Oneshooter Armed and Livin in Texas |

