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Tue Jan 24, 2012, 12:54 AM

Employee shot and killed in W. Kensington store

Updated at 11:54 PM today
By DANN CUELLAR

WEST KENSINGTON - January 23, 2012 (WPVI) -- Philadelphia police are investigating a fatal shooting at a grocery store in West Kensington Monday night.

Police have not identified the victim, but her friends in the neighborhood are identifying her as 29-year-old Reina Aguirre.

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"This doesn't appear to be a robbery. It appears this male entered the store with the intent of shooting this female who was working behind the counter," Small said.

Although police have not established a motive, some neighbors say she had been having problems with drug dealers on the block.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=8516163&rss=rss-wpvi-article-8516163



Nutter on violence: 'Enough is enough'
January 17, 2012|By Troy Graham, Inquirer Staff Writer

Mayor Nutter spent Monday attending events to commemorate the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and his teachings of peace and nonviolence - a legacy overshadowed in Philadelphia by the recent surge in killings on the city's streets.

The mayor's last stop of the day was a packed Kensington church, where he spoke to a congregation that included about a dozen family members mourning the young victims of a quadruple shooting last week.

He talked to them in often hushed tones about their loss, and about his own frustration and struggle with the deaths.

"I'm still in pain," he said. "I'm not afraid to admit it."

http://articles.philly.com/2012-01-17/news/30635485_1_mayor-nutter-peace-and-nonviolence-human-nature


Do you think big city mayors have legitimate concerns about guns being illegally trafficked into their cities? Do you think this is a national concern? How firm are you set in your beliefs? Do you live in an urban, suburban, or rural neighborhood? How would you describe your neighborhood economically i.e. upper, middle, lower?

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Reply Employee shot and killed in W. Kensington store (Original post)
ellisonz Jan 2012 OP
rrneck Jan 2012 #1
burf Jan 2012 #2
ileus Jan 2012 #3
Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #4
burf Feb 2012 #24
Simo 1939_1940 Feb 2012 #25
Glassunion Jan 2012 #5
aikoaiko Jan 2012 #6
PavePusher Jan 2012 #7
ellisonz Jan 2012 #9
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #11
ellisonz Jan 2012 #14
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #15
ellisonz Jan 2012 #16
PavePusher Jan 2012 #17
AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #12
ellisonz Jan 2012 #13
rl6214 Jan 2012 #8
spin Jan 2012 #10
SteveW Jan 2012 #18
PavePusher Jan 2012 #19
Glassunion Feb 2012 #20
ellisonz Feb 2012 #21
Common Sense Party Feb 2012 #22
Glassunion Feb 2012 #23
YllwFvr Feb 2012 #26
GreenStormCloud Feb 2012 #27

Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:53 AM

1. If city mayors

could protect their citizens from criminals they wouldn't have to worry about guns.

Crime, poverty, and social injustice are national concerns.

I live in a rural area near an affluent community.

I haven't seen a cogent argument for more firearms regulation yet.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 08:59 AM

2. But there was a sign posted on the door of the store .

Maybe Philly should pass some more laws and Mr Mayor could make a few more speeches.

That should take care of the problem.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:27 AM

3. Why can't cities control their criminals? Where I live there are 10+ guns per household

and we don't seem to have any problem keeping our firearms under control...

And I can hit a golf ball to 3 people in three different homes I know sell pills and/or pot.

Maybe mayors need to set up check points into their cities and search vehicles for several different illegal items.

Why can't people in cities be trusted with their 2A rights?

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

4. Why is it that people who live in cities can't be trusted with firearms?

 

Why is it that the states that are exporting the guns don't have the crime problems that the places that are importing them have?

Clearly the states where the guns are originating from don't have any lack of firearms to use to commit crimes. So why is it that they don't have the crime problems whereas the places they are imported to do?

Why is it that the people who are importing firearms are so desperate to use them in crime, while the people who have plenty to export don't?

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:54 PM

24. We who live out in the country

teach our guns to be better behaved than gun owners in the city do their guns.

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Response to burf (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 07:17 PM

25. ...




Dear friends of mine (husband/wife) just moved from their home in the city to a rural area of the county directly north of us. He has a number of pistols and a 12 gauge, but he's a perfect example of a person who could use an "assault weapon". Approaching senior status with a prosthetic leg and law enforcement virtually non-existent, myself and others have suggested that he get his hands on a bit more firepower.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:41 AM

5. To answer your questions...

Do you think big city mayors have legitimate concerns about guns being illegally trafficked into their cities? Yes

Do you think this is a national concern? Yes, that's why we have the ATF.

How firm are you set in your beliefs? All of my life lessons have brought me to my current belief system.

Do you live in an urban, suburban, or rural neighborhood? Currently I am in the suburbs. In my life I have however lived in all of the above. I have been homeless, lived in a motel, lived in project housing, lived on a farm and lived in the burbs.

How would you describe your neighborhood economically i.e. upper, middle, lower? Currently upper/middle.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:46 AM

6. I think city mayors should ask why their residents are committing crimes against each other.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:31 AM

7. No evidence in either of your "examples" that the "crime gun(s)" were from out-of-state.

 

Insinuation-fail.

Edit: Nor have you demonstrated what percentages of gun-crimes are commited with out-of-state guns. More fail.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:00 PM

9. So you're saying that such trends are statistically insignifcant?

To come to that conclusion, you have to presuppose that it's a figure that really truly matters in the context of *real* lives.

I think coming to an accurate statistical analysis of such a question is probably much more difficult than you suppose.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:42 PM

11. No, he's saying you don't have any evidence to connect your first link with the second.

Protip: Don't try bafflegab to divert from logical failure. You're nowhere near as good at it as iverglas was in her prime.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:48 PM

14. Ha...

Seriously: how would you construct such analysis in a meaningful way given that many guns used in crimes are never recovered? I'm betting you can't answer that question.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:58 PM

15. You imply the gun used in that shooting came from outside PA, without evidence.

And you were rightfully called on it. Don't bother trying to back from it now.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:00 PM

16. Didn't imply that...

We don't know. What I implied is that there is an ongoing problem with criminal gun violence in urban areas and that many believe interstate gun trafficking has an effect.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:56 PM

17. So your supplied examples have nothing to do with your premise.

 

Got it.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:43 PM

12. So, to put it another way: you've got nothin'.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:46 PM

13. Depends on your definition of somethin'.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:35 AM

8. WOW, criminals doing criminal things, whudda thought?

 

Do you think big city mayors have legitimate concerns about guns being illegally trafficked into their cities?

NO, I think they are grandstanding

Do you think this is a national concern?

Only by the ATF

How firm are you set in your beliefs?

Rock solid

Do you live in an urban, suburban, or rural neighborhood?

suburban

How would you describe your neighborhood economically i.e. upper, middle, lower?

Upper middle

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 03:10 PM

10. I think that the majors find blaming gun dealers in other states for the problems in their cities

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easier and far cheaper than actually improving the city police force so as to stop crime in their cities. Blaming others makes the majors look like they are actually doing something to combat crime.

edited for typo




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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:17 PM

18. Uh, no connection in stuff cited to "illegally trafficking." Miss-posting? nt

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Response to SteveW (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:38 PM

19. Depends on your definitions, apparently.

 

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:50 PM

20. In case anyone gives a shit...

The victim in the first story was identified as Rosemary Fernandez-Rivera.

The police have made 4 arrests in the case. It would appear that she was specifically targeted because she was a witness to a murder.

http://phillypolice.com/news/arrested-suspects-for-homicide-of-rosemary-fernandez-rivera-in-the-25th-district

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:57 PM

21. Thank you for updating!

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:02 PM

22. So if guns were banned, she'd still be alive!

I'm getting the hang of this now!

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:42 PM

23. There you go...

Yup!

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:15 AM

26. to address your questions

Yes, no, very, urban until recently now suburban, middle

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2012, 01:12 AM

27. If drugs were legal this might not have happened.

Then the drug dealers would just be businessmen.

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