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Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:16 AM

Video concealed weapon permit holder being arrested in 2009

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_gun-rights-advocates-furious-over-video-showing-arrest-concealed-weapon-permit-holder-28612.shtml

A video showing a concealed weapon permit holder being arrested in 2009 is getting a lot of attention online.

More than 10,000 people have viewed the dash-cam video, taped in Citrus County, in the last week alone.

It has gun rights advocates furious.

This video has been seen more than 38,000 times since it was posted on you-tube earlier this month.

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If the cop can see the gun, it was not concealed.

Grab his permit and his gun.

yup

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Reply Video concealed weapon permit holder being arrested in 2009 (Original post)
jpak Jan 2013 OP
Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #1
Hangingon Jan 2013 #3
Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #12
my boy x dog Jan 2013 #2
Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #4
sarisataka Jan 2013 #5
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #26
nick of time Jan 2013 #6
gejohnston Jan 2013 #7
nick of time Jan 2013 #8
jpak Jan 2013 #9
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #10
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #27
Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #13
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #14
GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #11
sylvi Jan 2013 #15
Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #20
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #16
Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #17
Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #18
Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #19
Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #21
Common Sense Party Jan 2013 #22
sarisataka Jan 2013 #23
iiibbb Jan 2013 #25
Kennah Jan 2013 #24

Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:44 AM

1. Oh bullshit...

The weapon is concealed until the man goes to return his wallet to his pocket and lifts his shirt up. Even in a shoulder holster underneath a jacket, there are situations where the gun may be visible. That was a complete overreaction on the part of the officer

yup

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Response to Puha Ekapi (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:59 AM

3. I hope the officer has alternate career plans

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Response to Hangingon (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 01:26 PM

12. Be

lucky to get a gig as dog catcher after this.

yup

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:49 AM

2. DA refused to prosecute

And the cop is on administrative leave.

Kudos for cheering on overzealous cops, though.

yuppers.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:15 AM

4. LOL. Luckily he is an OWG.

 

He'd be dead otherwise.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:21 AM

5. Awesome video

It shows exactly why the pro rights side is so suspicious of the motives of new control laws. It also clearly points out the issue with vaguely worded laws.

-A stop for expired tabs with a completely cooperative citizen; cops reaction on glimpsing a gun "I'll shoot you in the *** back". No threat is present (except of course the officer to the citizen)

-State argument is that the exposure was not brief, even though the video has to be shown in slow motion, magnified and highlighted to show the small portion of the gun that became visible.


Thanks jpak for finding such a good illustration of these issues. >hell I'll even rec this

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:12 AM

26. I think the OP likes the cop's dirty talk. nt

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:24 AM

6. Did you even watch the whole video?

 

FL. law was changed in 2011 to allow for an accidental showing of the firearm, also, the DA's office refused to prosecute because he thought the jury wouldn't convict and the cop was put on administrative leave pending an IA investigation.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:32 AM

7. the reason for the state passing the law came from Citrus County too

IIRC, the wind accidently exposed a county commissioner's gun and it created quite a stir.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:37 AM

8. Thanks,

 

didn't know the specific reason for the change.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:50 AM

9. Accidental exposure my ass

Hide or lose it.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:59 PM

10. Accidental exposure of your ass?

 

I thought your posts were more deliberate.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:16 AM

27. Well, gejohnston said it was his wind what did it.

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 02:13 PM

13. It'll be OK, jpak.

We all wish for things that will never be.

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 02:15 PM

14. Please don't expose your arse ...

 

... accidentally or otherwise.

Some of us are eating.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 01:09 PM

11. That's why I show both DL & CHL at a traffic stop.

And I say, "Officer, I believe state law requires me to inform you that I am armed. I will cooperate fully with you. Please tell me what you want me to do."

BTW - I haven't been stopped in years.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 02:22 PM

15. That's what Massad Ayoob advises

 

And you're correct in using the word "armed" instead of "gun", which could be heard out of context by the officer's partner, if they have one, and cause an overreaction.

The video also serves to demonstrate something else: In a traffic stop, stay in your freakin' vehicle. Lock the door and roll the window down just enough to communicate clearly. Unless the officer orders you out, there's no sense in exposing yourself or the interior of your vehicle to a visual inspection that could serve as a pretext to a more extensive search.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:50 PM

20. I like that wording. I'm going to use that...

...if I ever actually carry.

And then if I'm ever actually pulled over.

Very low probability of either one.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 02:26 PM

16. We don't take kindly ...

 



... to wardrobe malfunctions 'round h'yere.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:20 PM

17. Did the CCW holder tell the cop he had a legal weapon?

That is the FIRST thing you tell the police if stopped. If he failed to do that, he's an idiot.

The deputy overreacted, but the driver did himself no favors by not mentioning that up front.

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:43 PM

18. Should he really need to?

In the absence of any threatening speech or motion whatsoever (assuming the video hasn't been selectively edited to remove Mr. Smith's profanity-laced rant about pigs or something), that officer completely blew it. He demonstrated extreme instability and paranoia, and created tension and fear where there didn't need to be any -- if anybody's gonna lose their license, it's gonna be that cop.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:48 PM

19. Yes. My CCW instructor was very clear. If a cop stops you, you tell him you are legally

carrying. I think it's common courtesy and common sense.

I've asked several cop friends and acquaintances. They react VERY differently toward someone who politely informs them upfront that they have a legal, permitted concealed weapon, versus someone who they find has a loaded weapon during the course of the interaction, but conveniently neglected to inform the LEO.

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:00 PM

21. In the context of a traffic stop,

I'd rather keep it to myself unless

1. I'm ordered out of the vehicle, or
2. I'm directly asked whether I'm wearing a gun.

We don't have carry yet, though, so it's not much of an issue.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:07 PM

22. In some states, it is the law to let the LEO know you are carrying.

Failure to do so can lead to loss of the permit in some places, IIRC.

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #17)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 08:04 PM

23. Laws vary from state to state

in MN we only have to tell officers if they ask.
My habit is to hand my license and carry permit without comment in any official encounter with police.. It notifies and avoids any spoken misunderstanding; I can then reply to direct inquiries about what I am carrying and where.
So far every LEO has thanked me for letting them know and we have proceeded our interaction without incident.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:34 AM

25. Indeed

 

This is the best approach. Saying it sounds like bragging in the wrong context. Some cops don't like it.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:22 AM

24. There is no requirement to notify an officer in Florida

FS 790.06
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html

"The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer."

One also is not required to wear a cloak of invisibility over one's firearm.

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