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Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:38 PM

Let's consider this...

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/assault-weapons-ban-just-doesnt-have-votes


What we need is effective firearms legislation, not symbolic "gun control". Proposed bans on certain guns largely based on their appearance is almost entirely symbolic. Effective legislation would need to determine who can possess firearms and the only way to achieve this is by comprehensive background checks on all gun transfers.
Magazine capacity is an important issue, no doubt about it. But, in the long term, background checks will do more to stem the flow of guns to people who should not own them.
I think that the country realizes the need for effective legislation. To over-reach on the issue may be squandering precious political momentum.

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rvt1000rr Jan 2013 OP
jmg257 Jan 2013 #1
Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #2
rvt1000rr Jan 2013 #3
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #7
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #11
nick of time Jan 2013 #12
MightyMopar Jan 2013 #14
Berserker Jan 2013 #5
rvt1000rr Jan 2013 #6
SQUEE Jan 2013 #15
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #8
SailorMike Jan 2013 #16
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #18
Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #9
iiibbb Jan 2013 #10
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #13
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #17
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #19

Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:43 PM

1. Tied in with registration, that would certainly help. nt

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Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 10:48 PM

2. I agree

Effective background checks for all is a big one. Nominal fee for FFL's to conduct for private sales. I am more skeptical of magazine limits and would set it at 20 and not have a magazine extend past handgun grip as they are more easily concealed. I would even institute a voluntary license similar to a CCW where you have a very thorough background check and show training and show this to avoid having to perform NICs at time of purchase. This can even be set to levels for different types of weapons. Ammunition I do not think is a big issue as one box can be enough for a mass killing. Target shooters buy in bulk.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:05 PM

3. I like the voluntary license idea

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Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:20 PM

4. Great wedge issue that gains more political capital, screw the RBKA extremists

 

Lets throw some more gasoline on Republican self immolation, make them brandish their guns and they lose political capital. It's not the 90's anymore.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 12:37 AM

7. Actually it is the Democratic Party who is in the gasoline puddle

And DiFi has a lit match.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 08:38 AM

11. I disagree, make the Pukes line up with these RBKA extremists and get their slime all over them

 

The best way to destroy the Republican party is to put their extremism on display for all to see like Lapierre, Yeager, Nugent, ad nauseum are already doing and the many RBKA extremists on DU that have been served their bad frozen pizzas.

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Response to MightyMopar (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:20 AM

12. You just don't get it do you?

 

These are red state DEMS who are probably getting an earful from their constituents about another AWB and they're listening, as their supposed to.
Now Joe Biden isn't mentioning the AWB in his speeches, Harry Reid has caved on the filibuster reform, the House is run by the repukes.
Tell us again how the AWB is going to pass into law?

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Response to nick of time (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:37 PM

14. That's what they said about civil rights legistlation

 

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Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:44 PM

5. I like what

 

You are saying except the Magazine capacity. If you got the Magazine capacity down to one you will not stop the gun violence. My Glock has a 15 round mag do you feel safer if I had a 10 round mag?
Do you really?

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Response to Berserker (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 11:58 PM

6. I have no problem

with the Glock's 15 round magazine. That is the stock magazine designed for that pistol. I do have a problem with say, an extended mag holding 30 or more rounds.
My point is that magazine capacity is not as important an issue as is effective background checks, and I would be willing to sacrifice the former to insure passage of the latter.

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Response to rvt1000rr (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:05 PM

15. 32 rounds is standard for some weapons

The PS90 has a 50 round mag, the basic AR is sold with a 30 round metal magazine in all but ban states.

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Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 06:59 AM

8. Expertly stated: "To over-reach on the issue may be squandering precious political momentum." nt

 

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:50 PM

16. A little common sense goes a long way.

 

Only common sense ain't so common anymore.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:50 AM

18. A political moment it is not.

 

Emotions blind the best of us.

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Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:08 AM

9. It Should always be about the Who and not the What -- too many op/ed and factual articles are posted

on here showing us that the Gun was the Tool used and the determining factor was not How but Why it was used.

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Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 07:54 AM

10. It's true because MJ says it....

 

someone like me says something like that and I'm a mongoloid who wants children to die.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 26, 2013, 10:31 AM

13. You're catching on ;) n/t

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Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:49 AM

17. Effective legislation is legislation that is enforced.

 

If there is legislation on the books that can prevent a crime but is not enforced, who's fault is it? Maybe we need to pass a law that holds government institutions responsible for enforcing the existing laws? What message does it send out to the populous if laws are selectively enforced?

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Response to rvt1000rr (Original post)

Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:43 AM

19. "Universal" bg tests are and have been supported in this group for years...

The problems center on:

1. Funding and effective operation; many people who fail current NICS tests are never investigated, or the paperwork (convictions, mental comp. findings) are not forwarded.

2. Commerce Clause issues: Can the feds require ALL citizens in EVERY state to follow a fed standard, esp. With private intrastate sales? If the controllers at the fed level thought there was no issue, they would have passed a universal NICS in a NY second. Amy suggestions?

3. Aggressive prohibitionist efforts to get at NICS data base end convert to a national registry. This is where a state FOID may be a better approach.

As you can see from at least one poster here, you and this worthy issue may be Scarlet Lettered with "NRA apologist, or "NRA talking point."

Thanks for posting.

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