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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:10 AM

The President's Gun Control Plan

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/preventing-gun-violence
24 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Support the whole plan
7 (29%)
Oppose the whole plan
3 (13%)
Oppose parts of the plan and will oppose unless these concessions are made
14 (58%)
Oppose parts of the plan but will support the plan as put forward anyway
0 (0%)
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Reply The President's Gun Control Plan (Original post)
ellisonz Jan 2013 OP
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #1
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Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #10
ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #2
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #3
JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #4
Kolesar Jan 2013 #7
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #5
sylvi Jan 2013 #6
sarisataka Jan 2013 #8
Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #9
libdem4life Jan 2013 #11

Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 12:13 AM

1. You would think ...

 

... the White House could afford to hire a proper web-developer.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:20 PM

10. !

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:27 AM

3. I agree with his exec actions & 100% bkgrnd chk, oppose the mag ban & AWB.

 

Hopefully, the various congressional actions will be introduced SEPARATELY so at least some of the rational laws get passed without being sunk by the irrational laws.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:47 AM

4. Same here, but I'll support the whole thing, even with flaws

The mag restriction is an annoyance, taking military surplus off the market. Even now, I have to have a few magazines that are restricted to five rounds, due to state hunting rules. Most of the shooting matches I participated in had 10-round strings that required a magazine change, so it was normal to load 5 rounds in two magazines for an AR, or split the load 2 and 8 rounds for M1 clips.

The AWB is a silly ban, restricting "scary" things that don't amount to much functionally. A flash-spreader and a bayonet lug do nothing. A pistol grip is simply an ergonomic matter.

But taken as a whole, the proposals might actually do some good. We'll never be able to prove it, but we can say we did "something".

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 10:33 AM

5. I agree with all his executive actions except...

I oppose the mag ban & AWB.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:06 AM

6. Most of the executive action proposals are good

 

No to AWB or mag restrictions.

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Response to sylvi (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:33 PM

8. I agree

I disagree with a couple EOs but I can live with all of them.

No to AWB or mag restrictions.

While these actions may 'save one life' IMO the political cost will be more than one life. In cold cost/benefit analysis I cannot support these measures.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:04 PM

9. Only strong objections I've got are to the mag ban and AWB.

Pointless gestures that do nothing to address the causes of violent crime. The EOs are all fluff, so I don't really care about them.

Just as a little side note, who gives a damn about armor-piercing ammo? Nobody's using it illegally here, so why bother making a big stink with it? Let the hobbyists have their fun with it, or keep them as souvenirs. Solution in search of a problem if I ever saw one.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:02 PM

11. Gun-banner/gun grabber...surely there is a more reasoned and useful discourse.

I have been a staunch "banner" and a Liberal for a long, long time...like all my life...born and raised in two Solid Red States, lived a long time in a Blue State, have family in both Color States. My Dad, a theological seminary graduate and Christian minister, born 1911, was a Conscientous Objector in WWII, but volunteered as an Army Chaplain in Japan during the Occupation. I came along upon the family's return to the US during his John Birch/Joseph McCarthy days.

It is reasonable to assume that banning guns is a pipe dream. It is also reasonable to assume that a AK in every legal person's shoulder holster while out shopping, at school, at church, at a bar or restaurant, at a funeral, joyriding, high on alcohol or pot or drugs, in a domestic fight...which is the logical, polar opposite ... is fortunately also a pipe dream.

This is my first contact with folks in my adult life who own guns, other than hunting rifles. (I shot some cans off fence posts as a kid.) New cultural realities are requiring the "liberal" in me to kick in and listen responsibly to other opinions, learn and maybe make appropriate changes in my own opinions and sphere of influence.

Given that is highly likely the protection of your family and hunting for food are pretty much wired into our cultural psyches...not out of fear so much as in our DNA and brain structure...this is not going to change any time soon. Historically, guns have been the weapon of choice. Yet, we argue and feel threatened by each other at our peril.

Empire/war/aggression was culturally easier for many when it was "Them" that we "took out" for killing "Us." Now we are a Global Empire and have physically or politically or economically taken out most of "Them"...based mostly on the power or threat of the gun/WMD/economic punishment/whatever. Now we are facing the ultimate challenge of the existential power/responsibility/result of Being Number One...what do we do when the conversation turns inward and begins to be mostly about "Us"? It's not a rhetorical question at all.

I know almost nothing about guns, and don't really want or need to know too much more. Given that, here is my question: What baseline of protection and hunting or sporting capacity is reasonable to encourage, allow or issue to every family or everyone of age, legally...kind of if there were a Public Healthcare version of Public Weaponry.

The poor we shall always have with us and they deserve protection and so they can hunt food, rather than live in fear for their family's protection based on their economic situation. Or, those like me who resent all to hell having to even consider some gun minimum to purchase, posses and/or carry, let alone have them placed in schools, with teachers, principals and/or guards, to protect the little ones.

Nor are elementary schools the "line in the sand" to suddenly get "weapon proliferation queasy". Security companies already have plenty of weapons in inventory.

Nor are the kids dumb...they know about Sandy Hook. Officer Friendly on the playground or in the halls will be welcomed by the kids...just because he is a friendly authority. (Favorite Field Trips or classroom visits are by our Community Helpers...kid's protective heroes.)

When you've had to be trained how to help little ones defend themselves against "certain inappropriate adult behaviors", explaining that their new friend that hangs around the school is kind of like the Playground Supervisor, there to watch over them ... that's a piece of cake. Admittedly, I don't have any snappy answers or comfortable solutions for protecting against the occasional neighborhood terrorist, that may look like Us.

Restated: What is a reasonable firearm minimum that I should arrange for myself...a senior woman, living alone with currently "just an attitude" ...forget the regulations and the parsing of details for now. I would suspect this should be a minimum to sufficiently protect and or feed all our citizens/families...equally.

Thank you for reading this, if you got this far. Any reasonable thought, suggestions or input are most appreciated.



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