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Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:26 PM

See if you can guess who I'm quoting...

"I know the urge to arm yourself. Because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms...I carried a concealed weapon, I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out I was going to take them with me."

If you know this immediately wait a bit before you post the answer to see what others guess.

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Reply See if you can guess who I'm quoting... (Original post)
Bay Boy Jan 2013 OP
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #1
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #2
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #6
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #12
raidert05 Jan 2013 #3
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #4
bucky balls Jan 2013 #5
bucky balls Jan 2013 #7
ellenfl Jan 2013 #8
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #9
ellenfl Jan 2013 #22
ileus Jan 2013 #10
raidert05 Jan 2013 #11
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #14
iiibbb Jan 2013 #13
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #18
iiibbb Jan 2013 #19
thucythucy Jan 2013 #23
gejohnston Jan 2013 #24
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #52
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #25
gejohnston Jan 2013 #26
thucythucy Jan 2013 #31
gejohnston Jan 2013 #33
Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #65
DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #34
rl6214 Jan 2013 #39
jmg257 Jan 2013 #48
rl6214 Jan 2013 #61
jmg257 Jan 2013 #62
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #43
thucythucy Jan 2013 #49
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #67
thucythucy Jan 2013 #68
Pholus Jan 2013 #15
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #16
Pholus Jan 2013 #47
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #55
Pholus Jan 2013 #63
bucky balls Jan 2013 #17
Pholus Jan 2013 #44
Permanut Jan 2013 #20
Wva 4-20mamp Jan 2013 #21
Jenoch Jan 2013 #27
DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #29
Bay Boy Jan 2013 #30
DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #32
jmg257 Jan 2013 #35
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #37
DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #40
holdencaufield Jan 2013 #41
DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #42
thucythucy Jan 2013 #50
DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #56
Lurks Often Jan 2013 #58
Jenoch Jan 2013 #38
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #45
jmg257 Jan 2013 #36
DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #28
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #46
thucythucy Jan 2013 #51
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #53
thucythucy Jan 2013 #54
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #60
Lurks Often Jan 2013 #57
Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #59
bucky balls Jan 2013 #64
Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #66
Remmah2 Jan 2013 #69

Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:31 PM

1. Good one ;) n/t

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:37 PM

2. Barbara Walters?

 

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:43 PM

6. No

It wasn't BaBa

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:06 PM

12. Sorry --

 

-- I get those two confused

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:38 PM

3. Can I say it???

 

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Response to raidert05 (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:43 PM

4. Not yet please!

A few more guesses from people who don't know for sure who it was first.

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:43 PM

5. A very fine quote.

 


edited to minimize the spoiler haha

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Response to bucky balls (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:50 PM

7. I think I can say this much, it was not Gabby Giffords, who said in a 2011 interview

 

"I have a Glock 9 millimeter and I'm a pretty good shot."

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 08:56 PM

8. ted nugent? ;~}

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Response to ellenfl (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:00 PM

9. Not Teddy either...

Here's a clue. It's a politician.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:43 PM

22. i was being facetious. i haven't got a clue. p.s. there's lots of politicians. eom

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:01 PM

10. Hillary Duff?

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:02 PM

11. now or do i have to wait a little longer?

 

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Response to raidert05 (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:10 PM

14. Like a kid on Christmas...

...just can't wait.

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:10 PM

13. I don't know but

 

I'll guess "Finger on the trigger" Feinstein

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:20 PM

18. Not familiar with the nick-name but...

...it was Dianne Feinstein.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:25 PM

19. Classic photo op of her pimping an AK47 to the press with finger clearly on the trigger

 

I suspect she didn't pay attention when she got "trained".

Or whoever taught her to write law.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4Q9VWC-6oag/UGcNp4QJZeI/AAAAAAAAC4M/Glj9-y77bNQ/s1600/NAGR+Dianne+Feinstein.jpg

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:36 PM

23. If it was Senator Feinstein,

was it before or after Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk, friends and colleagues of hers, were gunned down in cold blood by a disgruntled politician? The same guy who claimed too many twinkies made him into a murderer?

If I'd had two friends shot down in a single night, I might want to arm myself as well.

I think I'd also want to try to put into place some reasonable gun control to keep it from happening again.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:54 PM

24. since the gun was SFPD issue

I fail to see how a stricter gun law would have helped.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:59 AM

52. Always with the picky little details.

Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?



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Response to thucythucy (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:56 PM

25. I agree...

I think I'd also want to try to put into place some reasonable gun control to keep it from happening again.


I agree, there are 2 ways to fight crime. One is to allow law abiding citizens to protect themselves with CCW. The other is better mental health screening and longer sentencing for violent felons.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:58 PM

26. I wonder if SFPD still let former cops keep their guns

after that, since it was SFPD.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:59 PM

31. I don't know.

Perhaps that's another aspect of the gun problem that should be closely examined.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:03 AM

33. given that White was a former cop

and he murdered Milk with a revolver issued to him by SFPD, I would say so.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:38 PM

65. What kind of reasonable control are you talking about?

Like holding gun owners who lose, sell or have their guns stolen, liable for what those guns end up doing? Right, I didn't think so. Better to deflect and blame the healthcare and judicial systems rather than the idiots who put the guns in circulation.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:48 AM

34. Yes, the quote is from Diane. Not related to the killings by Dan White

See the video link in my reply #28. Hope it clarifies the context.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:45 AM

39. So how exactly is it ok for her to arm herself

 

Yet it's also ok for her to want to put in place gun control that would disarm me?

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:20 AM

48. Pssttt...she's not disarming you, Unless your ONLY choice

Of being armed, for some silly reason, is an assault weapon...is that the case?

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #48)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:15 AM

61. Yeah, let's just forget about her wanting mr and mrs America to

 

Turn them all in.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #61)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:18 AM

62. Yep..turn in all assault weapons. Your not saying she was talking

About all guns are you? That bullshit was put to bed here a long time ago.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 07:13 AM

43. I don't blame her for CC. It's just that she doesn't want anyone else doing so.

She is like many controllers: An armed elitist who wants no one else armed.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:44 AM

49. She doesn't want concealed carry?

I thought her bill only concerned military style assault weapons, like the type used at Newtown.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #49)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 11:22 PM

67. She is a die-hard prohibitionist, and is advancing a water-downed AWB

which stands little chance of clearing committee because that is all she can hope for.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 09:48 AM

68. If you say so.

I prefer to deal with the matters at hand, rather than project motives about what "the real goal is...."

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:11 PM

15. Actually I'm interested in the NEXT words in the quote...


"Now having said all that...."

So what came next?

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Response to Pholus (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:19 PM

16. I assuming it was words that wouldn't hurt her getting re-elected...

...but it certainly hurt lots of Democrats in other districts.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 07:31 AM

47. So you admit you don't know. Figures.

Do you know the friends you're keeping? Who else likes this?

The Google can help.

www.conservativerefocus.com
www.breitbart.com
www.dailypaul.com
www.wnd.com
conservativefiringline.com
24hourpatriots.com
therightnewz.com

You trust these guys to be honest? To have taken the quote in proper context?

Or did you simply cut-and-paste without doing the 30 seconds of research to see the entire quote because your confirmation bias saw something that appealed to you.

Do some due diligence next time before you post something so embarrassing.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #47)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:21 AM

55. I didn't cut and paste anything...

...I watched a video and transcribed it myself.

What part was embarrassing?

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #55)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 05:51 PM

63. Then you dishonestly quoted this yourself? I'd have stuck with merely pleading ignorance.

It's funny how this quote always starts and ends with EXACTLY the same words and ignores the context.

The origin of your quote was one of those "patriot" groups back in 1995. They took it out of context too, but because they were kinda watching the hearings because of the references to "right wing extremism" -- they wanted to see themselves on TV you see.

Now for the rest of the 90's it just kinda was ignored because only the patriot clowns were using it.

It then became quite popular with those Freak Republic cretins for a while back in the early 2000's and got dug up by them again in 2012.

And now you found it and transcribed it all by your lonesome. Very impressive!

Why don't you post more of that hearing with all your mad investigative skillz? Something from a clip that lasts longer than exactly 1 minute and 44 seconds or an actual hearing transcript maybe.

Frankly, it's cause you can't. You're repeating spoon-fed sound bites.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:19 PM

17. Where did "Now having said all that..." come from?

 

Is it a secret revelation from Jesus?

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Response to bucky balls (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 07:14 AM

44. The next words that she spoke after those in the OP.

Just pointing out that it sounds like something the OPPOSITE of the quote was about to be spoken.

I expect Republicans to be dishonest in things like that. I expect my Democratic peers should hold to a higher standard.

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:29 PM

20. Probably something like a

Bushmaster .223 Remington SuperLight Carbine Semiautomatic Rifle, with

•Semiautomatic action with a 30-round magazine capacity
•Light-profile barrel
•Telescoping stock
•Red dot sight


I'm sure she wouldn't have a problem concealing one of those. Just guessing.

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 09:36 PM

21. My guess

Adolf Hitler

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:36 PM

29. OK. Once someone has planted a bomb at your house...

... but it fails to explode, I'll agree it's OK to seek means to protect yourself and your family, hopefully in conjunction with the police force in your community. (watch the video in my reply #28 - it provides a bit more context than the carefully cut video you reference.)

If you're just joining the paranoid masses, I don't think so.

Let's talk about what happens in between those extremes.

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Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:48 PM

30. So basically only important people...

...should be allowed to protect themselves.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:01 AM

32. Gee, that's an interesting interpretation...

...having a bomb placed at your house and subsequently having all the windows of your house shot out, as a criteria for 'importance'.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:53 AM

35. Has she ever said you shouldn't have the means to

Protect yourself?

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Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:18 AM

37. Guns for ME ... but not for THEE

 

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:22 AM

40. Hi, Holden. Glad you are back. Looks like a perfect day for bananafish!

Look around, maybe you will see more glass.

Your reply is somewhat ambiguous. Does the ME in the title refer to you? And the THEE to me? or to Diane Feinstein?

Are you personally under direct attack from the New World Liberation Front? If so, then protection for you and your family may be appropriate. I wish you good fortune. Contact your local law enforcement agents, ASAP.

If the THEE is me, then No, thanks. I have no need or interest in weapons. If the THEE is Senator Feinstein, then she apparently is no longer under attack by the NWLF. The video of her quoted comments ends with a suggestion that the intervening 20 years had modified her positions on CCW, but I haven't located the details of that particular reversal of her views. I suspect she is not interested in owning guns now. Contact her via https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/e-mail-me

If your reply was intended to be in the persona of Senator Feinstein, with you as the unreceptive THEE, then I again suggest you contact Senator Feinstein at the link about.

Have a nice day.

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Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:31 AM

41. "I suspect she is not interested in owning guns now"

 

Why should she? She has around-the-clock armed security at her beck and call -- paid for by the US taxpayers.

The rest of us ... not so lucky.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 02:52 AM

42. Seen any bananafish recently?

From: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_provides_security_for_United_States_senators

United States Senators do not have any special government security arrangements. Security around the US Capitol is provided by the Capitol Police, and the District of Columbia police provide general security within D.C.

Some legislators hire private bodyguards for their protection.

Where do you live? Have you called local law enforcement to ask for protection?

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:49 AM

50. You mean just like Congresswoman Giffords?

President Obama just signed an order giving himself (and other presidents) Secret Service protection for life--which I think is appropriate, given the huge number of death threats he gets daily. And yet the right--including gun "advocates"--are howling about it. The horror! The horror!

If you want to talk hypocrisy, how about all those pro-NRA Congresspeople who want to allow guns in the workplace, but who insist on having metal detectors around their own offices to keep their own workplace gun-free (well, except for the Capitol Police)? Isn't that also a tad hypocritical, don't you think?

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:25 AM

56. Precedent for lifetime Secret Service protection of the President

From SecretService.gov:

How long do former presidents receive Secret Service protection after they leave office?

In 1965, Congress authorized the Secret Service (Public Law 89-186) to protect a former president and his/her spouse during their lifetime, unless they decline protection. In 1997, Congress enacted legislation (Public Law 103-329) that limits Secret Service protection for former presidents to 10 years after leaving office. Under this new law, individuals who are in office before January 1, 1997, will continue to receive Secret Service protection for their lifetime. Individuals elected to office after that time will receive protection for 10 years after leaving office. Therefore, President Clinton will be the last president to receive lifetime protection.


And I agree with your conclusions that this protection is appropriate.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:34 AM

58. Do you have a cite?

"pro-NRA Congresspeople who want to allow guns in the workplace, but who insist on having metal detectors around their own offices to keep their own workplace gun-free"

I'm thinking the metal detectors are there at the insistence of the Capitol Police, not because a member of Congress requested it. Also, current Washington DC law prevents ANYONE except for law enforcement and certain, select bodyguards and armed security from carrying a gun in public.

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Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:24 AM

38. I don't have a CCW..

However, there are many anti-CCW people out there that do not wish anyone to have the ability to protect themselves even if they have been threatened. Twenty years ago, and currently in New York, only people like Diane Feinstein are able to get permits to carry.

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Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 07:17 AM

45. Interesting, your "extremes:" Feinstein. And the "masses."

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 01:03 AM

36. Funny how we never see that "outright ban" quote in full context,

Where she is talking about assault weapons and the 1994 ban.

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:28 PM

28. Here's a link to the video of Diane Feinstein's comment...

The carry permit was not related to the shooting of Harvey Milk and George Moscone by Dan White in 1978.

The incident occurred circa 1975 after a bomb placed at her house failed to explode.

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/feinstein-1995-her-concealed-carry-permit-i-know-urge-arm-yourself-because-thats-what-i-did

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Response to DreamGypsy (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 07:21 AM

46. MLK applied for CC after the bomb in his house did explode. Didn't get it.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 09:54 AM

51. Can you give us a source for this?

It seems rather inconsistent, since Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was a believer in Gandhi's principle of non-violence, and often quoted the "turn the other cheek" philosophy of Jesus Christ. In fact, when King was physically assaulted at a church meeting (by a white thug) he did NOT strike back. When his followers sought to get arms after violence by whites, he (and Andrew Young) told them not to.

So you're saying a disciple of Gandhi wanted to carry heat? Like I say, I'd love to see a source on that.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:48 AM

54. Thank you.

It seems from the article he later abandoned the idea of guns for self defense (and certainly, a concealed carry permit would have done nothing to save his life).

Best wishes.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 12:27 PM

60. You're welcome



To be more accurate, (IIRC) guns actually didn't do anything to save his life. My memory of the specific details of his murder includes that at least one armed body guard was close by.

A national icon and leader should yield to the wisdom of having professional protection. I remember reading that his application for a CCW was (probably) denied due to racial prejudices. Given the, at that time, geographic limitations of the CCW, having body guards rather than risking arrest and its implications was an extremely wise move.

Certainly any leader worth any attention should never advocate mixing firearms into a volatile protest. Events that inspire such strong and emotional discord are probably best delayed or cancelled until some resolutions are achieved. Leaders like MLK need to be as above reproach as he was.

I would, however, point out that even Gandhi and The Dalai Lama have made statements that can not be construed other than as favorable to certain armed defenses of one's self. Some of the greatest leaders the world has ever known have advocated for armed self-defense.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:30 AM

57. Gandhi stated:







"In this instance of the fire-arms, the Asiatic has been most improperly bracketed with the native. The British Indian does not need any such restrictions as are imposed by the Bill on the natives regarding the carrying of fire-arms. The prominent race can remain so by preventing the native from arming himself. Is there a slightest vestige of justification for so preventing the British Indian?" Comments on a court case in The Indian Opinion (25 March 1905)

"Had we adopted non-violence as the weapon of the strong, because we realised that it was more effective than any other weapon, in fact the mightiest force in the world, we would have made use of its full potency and not have discarded it as soon as the fight against the British was over or we were in a position to wield conventional weapons. But as I have already said, we adopted it out of our helplessness. If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British." Speech (16 June 1947) as the official date for Indian independence approached (15 August 1947) , as quoted in Mahatma Gandhi : The Last Phase (1958) by Pyarelal Nayyar, p. 326.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn." From a leaflet urging Indians to serve with the British Army in World War I, Part V, Chapter 27, Recruiting Campaign

Prior to 1947, there was no united India. India was a collection of states and city states that were forcibly united under one rule.

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 11:47 AM

59. See if you can guess how many trolls are in this thread.

Besides the one in the mirror that is. Notice, Dianne's quote uses the past tense. Most of us have acted like assholes at some time in the past.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #59)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 06:02 PM

64. Since your definition of 'troll' is obviously anyone who doesn't disagree with you,

 

I do not envy your life.
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Response to bucky balls (Reply #64)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:51 PM

66. Enjoy your stay bb!

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Response to Bay Boy (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 10:23 AM

69. Is there a video to go with your lame post?

 

?????

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