Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumIf in the case of a "good guy" with a gun reacts in a mass shooting incident and fires his weapon
which strikes and injures or kills an innocent bystander will the good guy be charged with homicide or injury with a deadly weapon.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)a nonLEO will likely be charged. A cop, who do more often than nonLEOs, nothing will happen. See NYPD.
samsingh
(17,595 posts)sandyshoes17
(657 posts)Gets the bad guy, cops show up and shoot good guy thinking he's bad guy. ??
spin
(17,493 posts)Which is why is wise to not have a gun in your hand when the police arrive after you called them.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)There are frequent cases of good guys shooting bad guys in self-defense and nothing happening when the cops get there. CCW classes and training videos cover that sort of thing. Basically, just as soon as the action is over, put the gun up before the cops get there.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)may also be named. Suppose an armed teacher (kind of an oxymoron) pulls out her district-approved firearm and misses...and kills one of her students. You can bet the school district will be sued. Or a good guy and wife or kids just happening on an "incident" and he or she pulls out the gun and inadvertently draws fire from the shooter and one of his family is hit.
In the Tucson/Gabby Giffords incident, a guy in the area who was armed, said he did not even reach for it for fear of drawing fire on himself and those around him.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)a little patience and this will happen.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Pearl MS school shooting stopped by armed citizen 1997:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting
Appalachian School of Law shooting, 2002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_School_of_Law_shooting
Golden Food Market Shooting 2009
http://blasphemes.blogspot.com/2009/07/golden-food-market-shootout-update.html
New Life Church Shooting 2007
http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/1638879
Winnemuccca, NV bar shooting, 2008
http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/19251374.html
Trolley Square Mall
4/24/1998 - Andrew Wurst attended a middle school dance in Edinboro, Pennsylvania intent on killing a bully but shot wildly into the crowd. He killed 1 student. James Strand lived next door. When he heard the shots he ran over with his 12 gauge shotgun and apprehended the gunman without firing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parker_Middle_School_dance_shooting
LAC stops bar shooting in Plymouth, PA
http://citizensvoice.com/news/police-plymouth-shooter-wasn-t-provoked-1.1371854
Those are armed folks that have saved lives while you are waiting for one to have an accident.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)stopped by an armed good guy. Check snopes.
I had thought I'd seen some of the others also debunked, that the incidents were essentially over before an armed person showed up, but maybe those are other incidents that have been falsely debunked.
And how many people have been killed by guns since Sandy Hook? Several hundred, I believe. How odd that there hasn't been a huge outbreak of good guys stopping the killings.
I say, just take the guns away, lock up everyone who has a gun after some date. Really, we'll all be a lot safer.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and most of the murders are criminals killing each other. Is that the fault of a target shooter or hunter? No, it is the drug trade.
Two things, the pistol was his own gun, not Army issue. The Army issue would be in the unit armory unless one is in the field (Most military have desk jobs, and no one other than the MPs have weapons in garrison, which made the "the Ft Hood shooter wasn't stopped by hundreds armed troops" meme uninformed at best. It also exposed how clueless many people are about the military.)
So yes, Pearl was stopped by an armed good guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)That means that he was there to end it.
You can't uninvent guns. They are not cutting edge technology. You can go to Home Depot and buy the tools needed to start making guns in your garage.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)If bystander is killed: Manslaughter, because there was no intent to kill the victim.
If bystander is injured: First degree assault, because it was committed with a firearm (despite absence of intent)
If bystander is nearly struck: Reckless endangerment, because they created an unnecessary hazard by taking a bad shot.
The verdict or sentence may be much more lenient if the good guy is successful, or the state may decline to prosecute.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)The good guy is completely responsible to each and every bullet that he fires. Exact charges would depend on many factors.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)If the state has a felony murder law, then all deaths and injuries happening during the felony crime will be attributed to the Bad Guys regardless of whether the Bad Guys directly caused the death/injury or not.
iiibbb
(1,448 posts)More than half the people that I know that have a firearm would not act in defense of anyone but themselves and their family. They would not act in defense of a stranger because they know that things may not be as they appear and they could quickly get in over their head.
It may happen at some point, but I wouldn't call it likely.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)was carrying a gun, but decided not to bring it out because he didn't believe he had a safe shot.