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Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:34 AM

 

Woamn runs and hides from home invaders unarmed and still is shoot

FAIRBURN, Ga. (WSB-TV) — A relative of the woman who was shot several times after she ran and hid from home invaders said she is doing OK.

But Otis Burden is hurting and angry over how the burglars were heartless to shoot a defenseless woman.

“It just tears me up that they did this to her,” Burden said.

Burden said he is hurt over what he calls the senseless, heartless actions of home invaders who shot his niece multiple times after she ran and hid from them.

“Well, you can’t have heart when you’re doing something like (that) to somebody. You can’t have a heart, know what I’m saying? Why would you do that?” he said to Channel 2′s Tom Jones outside the home on Estonian Drive.

…Detectives said Burke ran and hid.

“But the perpetrators, multiple, located her and shot her,” Detective Melissa Parker with the Fulton County Police Department said.


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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-hiding-woman-shot-during-fairburn-burglary/nTmk3/

notice multiple assaiants a six shoot revolver may not have kept her safe. A standard capacity 15-19rd had gun or shot gun loaded with 00 buck (atleast 5+1) and side saddle may have helped her. But she was un armed so even a 6 shooter would have been something i bet she would have like to have to protect herself.

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Reply Woamn runs and hides from home invaders unarmed and still is shoot (Original post)
generalhh Jan 2013 OP
ileus Jan 2013 #1
cmclane28 Jan 2013 #2
rainy Jan 2013 #3
cmclane28 Jan 2013 #4
sarisataka Jan 2013 #10
ileus Jan 2013 #7
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #8
Prometheus_unbound Jan 2013 #5
generalhh Jan 2013 #6
Prometheus_unbound Jan 2013 #11
sarisataka Jan 2013 #13
Prometheus_unbound Jan 2013 #14
sarisataka Jan 2013 #18
GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #17
Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #19
Prometheus_unbound Jan 2013 #20
Clames Jan 2013 #21
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Prometheus_unbound Jan 2013 #22
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Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #9
AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #12
bubbayugga Jan 2013 #15
gejohnston Jan 2013 #16
jpak Jan 2013 #23

Response to generalhh (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:39 AM

1. Having access to a firearm may not have helped

but maybe she wouldn't have had to be a willing victim.



If one could have some kind of safe room, and inside that room an AR and SD pistol or Shotgun may be the best setup. IF you can get to it in time.

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Response to generalhh (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:42 AM

2. No denying that a gun here may have helped

I can't imagine anyone would disagree that had she been armed, she may have been able to protect herself. I will never understand anyone who believes that law abiding people at large should not have the option to arm themselves if they so choose.

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Response to cmclane28 (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:44 AM

3. If she had a gun she'd be dead nt

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Response to rainy (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:45 AM

4. Not sure I understand that logic since she was shot anyway, but OK

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Response to cmclane28 (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:53 PM

10. That suicide feature might have been activated

Since we all know that owning a gun makes you homicidal and/or suicidal

Unfortunately we have people here who believe you are better a dead victim than a live gun owner

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Response to rainy (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:11 PM

7. So you're saying the were shooting to wound?

If she'd fought hack death would have been her only result?

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Response to rainy (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:45 PM

8. "The great Karnac must have silence..."

"You've had it many times before."

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Response to generalhh (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 11:52 AM

5. Everyone is law abiding until they commit a crime.

And a lot of violence is among people who know each other - basically, the same kind of people. Having guns does not help.

Any discussion of guns must start from the inescapable fact that the USA has much higher levels of homicide than any other rich country. Higher meaning: about four times as much. Gun clearly do not work at deterring crime.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:04 PM

6. tell that to the lady and her to kids from georgia

 

tell that to the lady and her to kids from Georgia who did have one?

Or to a local real estate agent here who was rapped and when the rapist went to take a shower she got from her ties and was able to shoot him he held her at gun point (he did not die). she had her gun but was unable to retrieve it from her purse during the initial assault.

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Response to generalhh (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:59 PM

11. Excuse me?

So the gun not only did not prevent the rape, but led to a revenge shooting as well? And - you write - the rapist had himself held her under GUNPOINT?
Not exactly a good advertisement for guns.

You can cherry-pick all the gun stories you like. The US still has sky high murder rates, many times higher than gun controlled countries. If that bothers you, too bad.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:03 PM

13. I see your point

since he was done raping her and all washed up she should have asked if he wanted go out for a bite to eat

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:09 AM

14. In order...

Guns did not prevent the rape, even if the victim was armed and carrying a concealed weapon.
Guns, however, did facilitate the rapist, who held the victim at gunpoint.
Moreover, once the rape was done, guns also led to a revenge shooting, which, for the record, is not a desirable thing.

How you come to the conclusion that this story would make a case in FAVOUR of guns is beyond me.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:44 PM

18. In order...

Guns are not magic talismans that prevent a person from any harm whatsoever. We do not have enough details to determine how the woman was surprised/overpowered.

I'm not so sure-
she got from her ties and was able to shoot him he held her at gun point (he did not die)
reading the totality, it appears the poster mean 'she held himat gunpoint' . The attacker may not have been armed.

I agree that shooting a person in revenge is bad. Had she followed him out to his vehicle and shot him in the back we would have a different case; although it is doubtful charges would be pressed. As the attacker was still in the house and presumably able to resume his assault, it is not a revenge shooting but self defense. Owning a gun likely ended the attack early, possibly saving her life.

As rape is a crime is a crime of violence and power, an attacker who will stay in the house and take a shower, it is extremely likely he was not done with his plans. Therefore lacking a gun would have subjected this woman to further abuse. Yes, I do see a positive effect here.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 02:02 PM

17. Criminals know each other.

It is true that most people who are murdered are killed by someone they know. To the average citizen that makes it sound like they have to fear their family and neighbors. But the truth is that way over half of all murder victims themselves have criminal records. Consider that Mafia members know each other, drug dealers know their suppliers and customers, pimp know their whores, gang members know each other, and you can see why most murder victims knew their killers.

Murder, as a first violent crime, is extremely rare. Almost always the murderer has a criminal history well before he kills.

The idea that you are pushing, that everybody is a criminal-in-waiting, is false. Most people go their entire lives with no criminal record.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 03:35 PM

19. The USA does not have higher levels of violence.

We are pretty far down the list actually. The thing we have more of than most other "rich" countries is gun deaths. And there is a REAL reason for that. It's not that we are more violent or that guns are too available. It's the inequality in our society and the population that drive those numbers. We are the 3rd most populated country in the WORLD. 300 million people live here. We have more people in our big cities than some countries have for total populations.

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Response to Ashgrey77 (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:00 PM

20. Facts are stubborn things.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

For the record, Sweden tops rape statistics but has a particularly broad definition of rape and double-counts repeated rape, while other countries don't.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #20)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:37 AM

21. Facts huh?

 

Fact: US violent crime rate in 2011 was some 466 per 100,000 people. England's rate was nearly four times higher in the same year.

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Response to Clames (Reply #21)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 05:11 AM

22. .

Sure. Lumping assaults with homicides is such a great idea.

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Response to Prometheus_unbound (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:16 AM

24. Violent crime is just that. Violent.

 

I know, it's an inconvenient truth for you.

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Response to generalhh (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:50 PM

9. Reason they did this? "It's all about juice."- Law & Order eps.

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Response to generalhh (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 03:02 PM

12. Unfounded assumptions.

Firearms are easy to acquire. I don't know why she didn't have one, but there are multiple possibilities.

For starters, there are people who will not take a human life, even in self defense.
Hard to fault them for a principled stand when their own lives are on the line.

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Response to generalhh (Original post)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:55 PM

15. If she had had a gun, she probably would have died years ago.

 

statistics don't lie.

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Response to bubbayugga (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 01:04 PM

16. unless liars compile them

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Response to generalhh (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:13 AM

23. What horseshit

yup

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