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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:03 PM

Reclaiming the Word QUEER - It Worked!!!!!

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There has been some debate on the effectiveness of embracing the word Queer as a way to take back offensive words, redefine them and change the culture at large.

It worked. Need evidence? Consider this...






What do you think?

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Reply Reclaiming the Word QUEER - It Worked!!!!! (Original post)
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 OP
PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #1
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #3
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #18
DonViejo Nov 2012 #2
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #4
DonViejo Nov 2012 #7
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #8
DonViejo Nov 2012 #9
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #10
DonViejo Nov 2012 #13
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #14
DonViejo Nov 2012 #15
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #16
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #17
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #5
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #11
libodem Nov 2012 #6
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #12

Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:16 PM

1. I've lived in New York my whole life and I was under the impression the word was completely

'taken back'. In fact I'm rather surprised some people here consider it offensive - did they complain to Bravo ?

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:22 PM

3. Agree

I agree. Unfortunately, others do not.

This was my last post in another group I was subsequently blocked from for using the word:

Maybe I have a different take on speech and words. I think the solution to bad speech is more speech .....not less. If the response is 'so what'...tell them why.....educate the ignorant. I always attempt to be fair and objective when being on a jury....but i give people the benefit of the doubt. We will never be able to talk about racism, sexism or homophobia without even ignorant people being able to talk through their own insecurities. The language of oppression has often been turned against our oppressors......so some of us now neuter words like QUEER or HOMO.


I welcome that conversation here.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 23, 2012, 03:24 PM

18. We Did Take Back

Thank you.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:20 PM

2. Perhaps when you have been on the receiving end of a fist,

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knife, baseball bat and a shod foot, all the while you're being called a "fucking queer" or just "queer," you'll think a little more about your enchantment with the term. You might want to do some research into case law about how many times of the word "queer" was used against someone who was discriminated against in housing, credit application or employment and use of the term was used as proof of motivation for the discriminatory acts.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:23 PM

4. I have

Hospitalized for over a week.
Dozens of stitches.

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GW Hospital
In 80s
Could care less if you or others want to call me a liar.
I've been called worse.
...and it wasn't a fist but a meat cleaver.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:46 PM

7. Did I suggest you were or are a liar? nt

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:52 PM

8. No

...and I apologize if I came across confrontational. I would add that the presumption I haven't been subjected to violence or discrimination because I use the word queer is offensive to me even if that wasn't your intention. Perhaps it's exactly because I have been subjected to both that I feel so strongly about reclaiming the word.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:06 PM

9. You didn't come across as "confrontational," but rather,...

as self righteous. If you bother to read my comment I said, "perhaps if;" I never presumed you were, or were not, assaulted. In this matter, I do not have a right to presume anything, one way or another.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:12 PM

10. OK

Ok...now who is coming across as self righteous. Perhaps if you read my apology, you would be gracious enough to accept it. You were not.

And yea, you did presume I was subjected to neither; otherwise what was your point? Got it- you didn't have one.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

13. Your apology is accepted, sorry I left it out, above,....

I've been involved in the Gay Rights movement for more than 45 years, I know exactly where you are coming from. However, I will continue to ask people to leave my home if they use the term queer, fag, faggot, the N word, the term kike for Jews, spick, wet-back or similar terms of derision and ridicule for Latinos.

And again, I didn't presume jack-shit about you. My comment was based on my experience working with victims of homophobic assaults, racist attacks, rape and discrimination.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:33 PM

14. 45 Years

Me too...although it's a few more for me. That means we have something in common.

Your experience is yours and mine is mine. There is room for different strategies and approaches. I respect that you disagree with mine. That doesn't invalidate the effectiveness of either. The fact that we now have queer TV shows destigmitizing the word supports my argument. Certainly doesn't mean the word is never used derogatorily or with malice. I'm sure it is. I just don't give it that power.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:40 PM

15. I do not necessarily disagree with your position on use of the term...

I just think that right now, there are major priorities needing to be addressed. Priorities I am willing to march into hell for, I'm not willing to march there as an advocate for "go ahead, call me queer. I love it!"

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:46 PM

16. Well

Speaking only from my personal experience, I have marched and I have yelled 'We're Queer, We're Here, Get Used To It' and from my perspective, I have changed the world with that chant....as I am certain you have in your own way.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:41 PM

17. And for fun

Please have a sense of humor when reading

If I were to come to your house and I promise not to use the word queer as I would never want to offend the host, can I bring queer food for the dinner party?

Check this out:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2002/04/what_is_queer_food.html

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:23 PM

5. Did You Tell Bravo?

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:15 PM

11. Perhaps Might Be Your Reality

Not mine. No 'research' required. I'm queer.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:27 PM

6. I love it

I consider it empowering. I'm still being refered to as a he. I'm taking it as a compliment. I think my soul might be androgenous. I've had 3 sons. I heard the male hormones mark the mothers brain with testosterone. Makes permanent changes that mothers of females don't have.

Even some boyfriends I've had remark that I get it. That I understand. That I think like a man. I guess I write like a man. The I/P group is disgusted with me. The complaints reference me as he. Oh, well. I can take it like a man.

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Response to libodem (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:21 PM

12. It Is Empowering!

Thanks! I agree. And each of us is entitled to define ourselves anyway we want- including you!

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