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Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:27 PM

I found this on FB and want to know if this is really happening.

I posted in GD about this and was recommended to post it here to find answers. With such need, the thought that an org, that is suppose to help people doing this turns my stomach. I just want to find out if it is true.

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Reply I found this on FB and want to know if this is really happening. (Original post)
Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 OP
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #1
msongs Nov 2012 #2
libodem Nov 2012 #14
yardwork Nov 2012 #15
libodem Nov 2012 #17
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #24
kooljerk666 Nov 2012 #3
The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #4
yardwork Nov 2012 #16
The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #20
yardwork Nov 2012 #21
The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #22
yardwork Nov 2012 #23
broiles Nov 2012 #5
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #7
Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #8
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #9
liberalmuse Nov 2012 #6
Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #10
Nika Nov 2012 #11
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #19
mimi85 Nov 2012 #12
rDigital Nov 2012 #13
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #18
Helen Reddy Nov 2012 #25

Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:34 PM

1. Unfortunately the Salvation Army is Not Neutral

...on gay rights or gay marriage.

They spend donated money OPPOSING both.

The poster you reference is regrettably an accurate reflection of the views of the Salvation Army.

Give your money to a charity that has more charity.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:35 PM

2. my old local SA branch fires employees determined to be gay. I know 3 people who were canned and

others who were asked to quit volunteering as well

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:20 PM

14. That is unfair treatment under the law

I hope if the get any of that 'faith based initiative' money it gets taken back. Eff them!

God, that infuriates me.

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Response to libodem (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:55 AM

15. On the contrary, it is perfectly legal in many states, including mine.

Many states allow people to be fired from their jobs simply for stating that they are gay. It is not illegal.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:18 PM

17. I still wish if they do get any federal tax dollars

That they couldn't use it for discrimination. It ought to be yanked. Private discrimination is still sick and wrong but that wouldn't be being paid for by you and me.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:51 PM

24. True

....and that should be changed for employers; however, almost all jurisdictions that I am aware of who have nondiscrimination laws based on sexual orientation regrettably make exceptions for religious organizations, like the Salvation Army. Those juridictions need to put political pressure on business who have non discrimination policies to not give the Salvation Army a forum for their bigotry at Christmas time.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:35 PM

3. wiki sez it is true........

 

In 2004, The Salvation Army said they would close operations in New York City unless it was exempted from a municipal ordinance requiring them to offer benefits to gay employees’ partners. The City Council refused to make the exemption. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg's administration chose not to enforce the ordinance. The administration right to decline to enforce was upheld by the New York State Court of Appeals in 2006.

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army#United_States

and first sentence in wiki is "The Salvation Army is a Christian denomination and international movement.........".

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:36 PM

4. Yea,pretty much.

Last edited Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army
excerpt;
Practicing homosexuals are "ineligible for full membership" in The Salvation Army. However, The Salvation Army offers its services to all who are in need, regardless of sexual orientation, and opposes the abuse of people based on sexual orientation. The organization also believes Christians who are attracted to the same sex should "embrace celibacy as a way of life.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:56 AM

16. "Practicing homosexuals" huh?

You don't consider it an "abuse of people based on sexual orientation" to deny gay people the right to be members of the Salvation Army?

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Response to yardwork (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:29 PM

20. This is from their website. Not me.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:39 PM

21. If you disagree with the Salvation Army it would be good to say so.

It isn't clear to me from your post if you are simply reporting or if you agree.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:17 PM

22. yardwork, I totally DISagree with the salvation army. Got it.The OP wanted know if the letter was

representative of the creed of the Salvation Army. I looked it up and posted the clip to show that from this it seems that it is true. I am a person who believes in individual civil rights. I do not support what is being said here. I fight against unfair treatment any where I see it.

I didn't have the quotes up on my first post so I see the confusion.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:50 PM

23. Thank you for clarifying! I really was not sure what you meant.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:36 PM

5. I quit donating to them when

they spent 2 million on lobbying against gay rights.

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Response to broiles (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:40 PM

7. And that says it all.

I'ved lobbied Giant Foods to STOP allowing them to solicit money outside their grocery stores.

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Response to broiles (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:40 PM

8. I did as well....

 

When I pass their little bell ringers at the holidays I am always polite but I say, loudly enough for everyone within normal hearing distance to hear, "I don't give to bigoted organizations that pretend to be Christians and discriminate. I suggest everyone else consider boycotting this organization until they read the Bible."

The poor bell ringer is usually caught off guard but so what.

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Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:44 PM

9. I Drop a Note In Their Pot

...with a written comment that says I give to charitable organizations who serve the poor without being homophobic as the Salvation Army is.

Would love to be the fly on the wall when they eventually read.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:39 PM

6. Sadly, yes.

They don't get my money anymore and haven't since I found out about this a few years ago.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 07:04 PM

10. Has there been any threats to stop helping people in the hurricane area?

I really can't put it pass a lot of these groups after what I saw in Joplin.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 03:53 PM

11. This is true. I worked for Food for Lane County in the Springfield, OR family dining enter.

It was located in the Salvation Army center in that city.

They protested my presence there as a Transgender woman (I had just started homones and don't look as good as I do today).

They lost the battle, but they successed in bad vibing me at every turn and making me feel perpetually unloved and unwanted there.

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Response to Nika (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:49 PM

19. Nika

Don't let them bad vibe you. Sending good vibes your way!

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 01:37 AM

12. I didn't know this!

My beautiful bi-racial gay grandson is the love of my life. Screw the Salvation Army - last time they'll get anything from me!

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:20 PM

13. I didn't know this. I may drop a note or two myself in the CLE area. nt

 

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Response to rDigital (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:46 PM

18. You'll feel great if you do!




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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:16 AM

25. They closed the local Salvation Army

 

in the small(ish) town where my parents lived. The newspaper claimed they lost the lease in the strip mall they were in. Goodwill opened another thrift store soon thereafter.

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