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mopinko

(69,997 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 02:07 PM Jul 2014

ah shit. i'm gonna have to fight the ex for doctor dog.

haven't posted much here since my bullies were pups.
it has been a battle, sadly.
tho i think he is about the sweetest dog i have ever had, he is, as i knew he would be, a handful.
he is allegedly my stbex's dog, but he doesnt have a clue about that. since the dog was housebroken, he has not lifted a finger to train or care for the dog. never even spent that much time around the house with him.
like so many dogs, he KNOWS he belongs to the mamma.

he is also, by rule of the heart, as well as original intent, my daughter's dog.
now, he is almost as much her petmate as he is mine. and we did get him because the kid (age 19) needed a puppy. her did a lot to heal her heart at a tough time for her.
she stays in a 2flat that we own a couple doors down. my farm is next to it.
we have talked for a long time about making him into a real therapy dog for her, as she was diagnosed with ptsd. she actually has epilepsy, which was the real problem, and is being treated. i dont discount that a he could do her a ton of good, nonetheless.
this plan, however, always hiring on a pro trainer for the dog. i cannot stand the one that got picked, especially as when she came to evaluate the dog, she just sat me down and told me to rehome one of the boys.

his trouble is that he has grown up with an aggressive and neglected dog on the other side of the fence. and a couple assholes in the hood who let their unleashed, intact male dogs pee right through the fence at my pack.
now we have a dog aggression problem.
plus the boy is 200lb of drive in a 100lb bag.

he is as good a varmint dog as a farmer could want.
he will retrieve aaallllll day long.
he relishes his job of guarding a big property.

i am the only one he really listens to, and he listens very well.
he sleeps with me.
he thinks he is my dog.

i just dont like this trainer they are bringing in, is the big problem.
here are some things she says-

dogs dont give kisses. they dont have lips.
dogs are simple.
once there is fighting, the trust is broken and cannot be repaired.
he shouldnt be allowed to chase the rabbits on the farm because that will cause him to be confused and uncontrollable on walks. (and btw, for all our training, he has very little leash training. i have struggled with severe carpal tunnel and nerve damage that left me totally unable to do this. besides the fact that they dont know what they are doing, nobody stepped up for that. dad took him for about 2 walks. this kid-0, other kid, who we sent to dog training school with this woman, a couple walks, and trips to the vet. number of dog fights that broke out-3)
i must rehome one of the dogs. neither of which she has really even met, just based on questionnaires.

now, the boys do not FIGHT with each other. they play like a couple giant bulldogges, but it is completely under my control, and has never gotten serious.
they are, however, completely jealous of each other.

where the fights happen is at the fence, with the neighbor dog. now 2 dogs, with a yo pup that was starting to join in the fun.
this dog comes flying at the fence, hair up, teeth out, and especially, headed for me.

i finally flipped with these people, who i love. LOVE. and they are managing them well now. not how i would. bark collars. but....
but i always felt that what happened on my side of the fence was my problem. i worked it, and worked it hard. at this point, he barely looks at the dog, sometimes even when it is barking at him. he will stop dead if i call him midleap.
but shit always happens.
i had a bunch of kids in my yard a while back. kids who knew the dogs, and some that didnt. but all were having fun. i was watching from the window.

the neighbor lets both dogs out, they charge the fence, he just stands there, not like he can do much anyway. did my dogs defend a bunch of little kids?
boy howdy.
but the redirected aggression on my side of the fence was bad. add my 2 little terriers to the mix, and it was about 60 seconds of bedlam.
we didnt know it at the time, but doctor took a good bite. didnt find it till it popped. made an icky wound. and of course, that would be right when the trainer comes over.

oooo. oooo. this can never happen again.
rehome rehome.

the original thing the trainer was SUPPOSED to do, was to actually measure his aggression level, and fitness as a service dog. that never happened.
the plan that i was signed on to was that there was a trainer who would take him for a 6 week intensive, someone who specifically trained pits and other bullies for service work. that never happened.
but now daddy and the kid are all hooked into the idea that she will take the dog and soon.

i could accept that this was a better thing for him, and that he will be very happy as a service dog. he would be in heaven.
but i do have to question his fitness until he is really assessed.
the trainer is nonetheless giving her support and advice, but not actual training, and sending her out strapped to this bombshell.
and i hate these three way conversations to begin with. but ex has been NOTHING but nasty, and i am barely talking to the kid again. he is gripping on to her, and putting her in the middle of conflict, like he always does. she is so hungry for daddy, that she cant help believing she finally has one.
one that will fight mommy for her.
so now we have to argue over whether or not to let my farm dog chase my varmints.

jeebus.
well, i already told me lawyer that i wanted custody of the dog. he is not ready. she is not ready. and i need him too.
he needs me.

and even tho he will be right there for now, he is part of her plan to get more independence, and she has future plans i am not privy too.

this is really the only little thing i wish to argue about. that and my farm. the rest is just stuff. even money is just stuff.

fuck all.


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ah shit. i'm gonna have to fight the ex for doctor dog. (Original Post) mopinko Jul 2014 OP
Righteous rant! Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #1
thank you. mopinko Jul 2014 #4
Hugs shenmue Jul 2014 #2
thank you. mopinko Jul 2014 #5
more stupid advice- weighted vests. mopinko Jul 2014 #3
sorry, one more pearl of wisdom. the best one, imho mopinko Jul 2014 #6
well. had the hard talk with the kiddo. mopinko Jul 2014 #7
update mopinko Jul 2014 #8

mopinko

(69,997 posts)
3. more stupid advice- weighted vests.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 03:04 PM
Jul 2014

on this issue, i agree totally with ed frawley of leerburg-
a weighted vest doesnt DECREASE drive. it doesnt spend it.
it builds it. and builds a stronger dog for it.

so how does this help with a bundle of drive?
plus, physics. strap and extra 50 lb to a 100 lb bomb?
if SHE wore a weighted vest, that math works.

mopinko

(69,997 posts)
6. sorry, one more pearl of wisdom. the best one, imho
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jul 2014

dogs dont play. they just practice predatory behavior.

um, i think that describes the first olympiad, and pretty much any modern sport i can think of.
i remember when idiots said things like that about kids play.

this all seems to come out of 50's psychology.

mopinko

(69,997 posts)
7. well. had the hard talk with the kiddo.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:15 PM
Jul 2014

whew it was hard.
let me say that one more time.
whew it was hard.
but WWAAAYYY better than things have gone of late.

i did find another trainer, and am waiting for a call to schedule a real eval.
they look wonderful. come very highly recommended. by someone who does pound rescues, and fosters bullies.

http://foundchicago.org

the kid just isnt ready, and this dog needs a competent trainer. i am barely that person. mostly because i dont have that much time available right now. i do work with him a lot. but it is as much as i can do, pretty much.

we cant afford to let this dog make a big mistake.
and he would love to make a big mistake.
he would love to bite someone's head off for me.
take a bullet.

and he needs to be a working dog. and at the farm, he is. he is quite capable of doing the very important job of guarding me, and watching out for this half of the block. and chasing the furries.

if we can get him some serious training, and some for her too, we can talk about it some more.
but he cant just be a pet.
i think she gets that part.

the hardest part was making her admit that it was gonna take a chunk out of my heart, and his. it has to be worth it.

ugh.
and this is all i do any more.

mopinko

(69,997 posts)
8. update
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 09:09 AM
Jul 2014

well, think i have found some sane trainers.
took the dog to be evaluated at a place that does boarding, training and rescue. yeah, the right frame of mind, eh?

for all the bluster, we finally got the lawyers involved, and not sure what his is telling him, but he doesnt have a prayer to take this dog. and the kid has not standing at all.

he did pretty good at the eval. really think i figured out what is in his little brain. he doesnt hate other dogs, he's just scared of them.
he reacted slightly to the trainers dog. she gave him a couple little corrections, and he forgot about the dog, and just wanted to know what he had to do for this nice lady to take him for a walk.

they have a 2 week bootcamp program. they do training and therapeutic play. at the end you get a 6 weeks obedience class.
decided that the kiddo could do the classes, and with the work on the dog, i feel like she will be fine walking him.
i have no problem with the kid spending as much time with her teddy bear as she wants.

she is feeling better. she is struggling so much, and he is just stirring this shit, thinking he is the big hero dad.

but we had a good talk when i came back from the eval. her brother has been talking to her, too. he is totally in agreement with me about what is best for the dog.
(the 2 of them are having a sorta bizarre sibling reckoning. always been tense, the baby and the baby who was the baby. we just found out that her myriad physical and mental problems are caused by serious but undetected long time epilepsy. brother was being a good 6 yo big brother w 4 yo little sister- giving her helicopter rides. thwached her head into a radiator. cracked her skull and damaged her brain. the ultimate dont tell mom. i never knew.)

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