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mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:17 PM Feb 2012

a question about pasta for all the cooks out there.

do any of you find any consistent differences between any of the commercial brands of pasta. I have been told I should buy the premium brands but I really can't taste any real differences between them and the store/generic brands. What about making your own pasta? Does it really taste better? Is it worth the effort?

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Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
1. I have found some of the store brands have kind of a slick, almost slimy, feel to them after cooking
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:22 PM
Feb 2012

so I always go with a well known brand. As far as making my own, the only thing I make is egg noodles for my chicken noodle soup. In that case, they really do taste better and they are worth the effort.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
2. I don't have a pasta maker
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:28 PM
Feb 2012

and not sure if I really need one to make certain kinds - I will look into that.

but my sister does have one and we made some a while back and I swear I should never have gone back to store bought. It's just amazingly differently delicious.

ok, I'm on a project now, thanks for the reminder.

Stinky The Clown

(67,792 posts)
3. Pasta . . . . a subject near and dear to my heart :)
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:54 PM
Feb 2012

Last first: dry vs fresh

They are two different products. Dry has a coarser, more grainy texture where the fresh is silky smooth. Generally, dry is made from semolina, water and, maybe, salt. Fresh, generally, is made from semolina, eggs and water. Often it is made from softer flour, softer giving a silkier texture. Fresh made without eggs, and dry made with eggs are also possible, but far less common.

Don't confuse silky with mushy. Both can and should be cooked al dente.

They taste similar, but not the same.

So why two and when are they used? Again speaking broadly, they are interchangeable. That said, some gravies and sauces go far better with one and not so well at all with the other. A heavy ragu is far better on dry that fresh, for example. A pesto sauce on fresh is very nice. There is a whole sensibility on this aspect of pasta,a nd books have been written about it.

Williams Sonoma has a book on pasta that is actually very good and deals with both types.



Now about "premium" vs store brand pastas.

I find there is a difference and I prefer what some might call "premium" brands. But before we go further, please note there is also a super premium grade - at least if cost is an indicator.

At the low end, we have store brand pasta. All is acceptable, but not as reliable. They seem to me easier to overcook and often wind up with a lot of broken pieces after cooking. It has to do with the underlying quality of the raw ingredients - mainly the semolina.

What I think most people consider "premium" pasta are the well known brands. Barilla, DeCecco, Ronzoni, Prince, San Georgio, etc. I may be a pasta snob, but I think only the first three are clearly better than store brands. Barilla is the most forgiving in staying al dente when cooking. DeCecco has better shapes and textures. I think that comes from using heated bronze dies when the macaroni is formed. The resulting pasta has a sort of "toothed" texture that holds sauce better. Ronzoni seems to be the best balance of taste and texture, although the taste is less than Barilla and the texture less than DeCecco.

Ronzoni is an American brand and always has been.

Barilla is an Italian brand ("The Best Selling Pasta in Italy&quot but is now meade here of all American ingredients.

DeCecco is all Italian.

By the way, Safeway now markets a brand of their own pasta that is imported from Italy and costs more than the other three!

The Super Premium pastas are a whole new game. They're "artisinal" and "small batch" and "hand crafted".

What they really are, in my view, is grossly overpriced. If one of the three top brands I cited above is $1.25 a pound, on sale, there is no way on the goddess's green Earth any "artisinal" pasta is worth $6 a pound. It simply is not. Period. Hard stop.

There is one special category with only one brand. Dreamfields. If you are watching carbs, take a look at this stuff. It is double the price of the top brands but yields only 5 net grams of carbs (compared to 36 to 38 for regular pasta). It tastes nearly indistinguishable from the top brands, but is a slightly more prone to overcooking. For diabetics or others with carb issues, it is pretty amazing stuff.

At Casa di Stinky, we use Barilla and DeCecco, but favor Barilla. Maybe once every month or two we make fresh.

And then there is the whole group of "healthy" pastas. Whole grain, whole wheat, this, that, and the other. We use that, too, but the taste and texture are waaaaaay down there in a lot of applications, but just fine in others. You have to experiment to see what your family's pallet favors.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
8. Stinky, have you taste-tested Trader Joe's various dry pastas?
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 10:30 PM
Feb 2012

I'd be interested in your opinion, if you have done so.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
16. I can speak to TJs--
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 10:50 AM
Feb 2012

Their shelf tortellini is excellent. Better than Barilla, in fact, but you need to watch the cooking time, carefully.

Potato gnocchi is good. I've not tried the polenta yet, but tonight I am having their pepper-lemon pappardelle.

My kid likes the colored radiatori. I've used their penne, and it's about the same quality level as Ronzoni/Barilla.

Used their no-boil lasagna noodles and they work fine, about what you would get with Barilla.

I like Barilla most of all, with Ronzoni following. DeCecco is overpriced. I only buy them for certain shapes.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
18. I've had the pepper-lemon pappardelle
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:47 PM
Feb 2012

....and have bought the tortellini. They used to carry a pasta from Italy that was shaped like cheerios, and my family loved those. Gone. Another variety they have that is a novelty is the very very extra long spaghetti. That can be fun for kids.

Lugnut

(9,791 posts)
12. I use Barilla and DeCecco.
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 03:23 AM
Feb 2012

Barilla is my favorite. Wegman's has its own brand of dry pastas that are also very good but a little pricy. My favorite variety is the orecchiette. I think it's very similar to home made.

Warpy

(111,253 posts)
4. Making your own pasta makes a huge difference
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 05:28 PM
Feb 2012

My granny's pasta machine consisted of an old rolling pin and a sharp knife. It was labor intensive and I've never tasted any better and if I got a chance to eat it again, I'd suffer the consequences of itching, wheezing, and worse. When I was a kid, she'd give me the odd shaped scraps to eat raw and even they were delicious.

Pasta machines just take a lot of the grunt work out of working the dough enough to have it hold together in boiling water.

Most commercial pastas are close in quality because most are made by the same type of machinery. However, there are differences in formula and the discerning person can tell one from the other mostly by differences in texture and mouth feel. Oddly enough, one of my yuck! brands was one with an advertising budget.

The best bet for anyone is to try the various ones available to see if they can tell a difference and stick with the one they like.

Ruby Reason

(242 posts)
15. My mother used to use the same tools occasionally...
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 09:19 AM
Feb 2012

or sometimes a pizza wheel instead of a sharp knife. But my favorites were what she called "ribbles". It was just a basic egg noodle recipe. Then she would just pull off small chunks of dough rather than rolling and cutting. They made the best noodle ever, and as a child I thought the random shapes were fun.

Truthfully, she was probably just too worn out to roll and cut, but I still make them occasionally for my girls and we all love them.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
5. Fresh pasta is very different than dry
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 05:58 PM
Feb 2012

Try some fresh pasta from your grocer and you'll see the difference. For me it depends on the dish. I will use or make fresh pasta for lighter dishes like pasta primaverra or for sea food dishes. I also like to make my own ravioli on occasion.

Dry Pasta brands do taste different to me. I use the Garafolo (sp?) Brand of whole wheat spaghetti from Costco. It has an excellent bite and it tastes great...not all whole wheatie like some of the other "healthy" brands. I also use the Barilla Gold box shapes of other pasta. I also use Barilla for heavy red lasagnas but use fresh lasagna noodles for white lasagnas

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
6. From someone who grew up in an Italian family, It is my opinion
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 07:03 PM
Feb 2012

that any dish requiring pasta will be good no matter what brand you use.
I have made pasta at home, bought it at the grocery store and at Italian markets.
As long as you do not overcook the pasta, It is all good to me.

I do not like the texture of homemade pasta. I prefer Barilla or another brand available around here called Anna's.
I do think it is a matter of personal preference.
There is, in my mind, not enough difference between homemade and top brand store bought to compensate for the time involved in making your own.

I have friends who swear by their pasta makers.
I appreciate their opinions but prefer to open a bag or box. Cook as directed and enjoy your recipe. Just don't overcook.

Just my opinion.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
7. The best pasta I ever had was homemade. And simple, save for the basic work.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 07:19 PM
Feb 2012

My brother's first wife was one in a line of Sicilian cooks. The men and women in her family routinely made dishes from scratch. They were locavores before locavores were a trend.

Picture the volcano from "Close Encounters". That was the flour start on a big table top. Eggs beaten and dropped in the middle. All kneaded, kneaded, kneaded. Then rolled out into strips.

A quick boil made for a great pasta, with whatever else was going on.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. I used to make homemade pasta all the time
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 11:20 PM
Feb 2012

I haven't done so in years. The biggest reason why I stopped was because it was hard to find semolina flour. This was back before the days of being able to find anything on the internet. I found fresh homemade to be very much superior to anything store bought.

I experimented with many different recipes, but finally resolved myself to a very simple one that worked great. I simply put semolina flour in a stand mixer and added enough water so that the flour just starts to come together into one mass. Then I would form the dough into cylinders to feed into my extruder. The cylinders would get rolled in olive oil immediately before going into the extruder to lubricate them (I had the Kitchen Aid extruder which really wasn't the best). Then I would just cook them immediately or hang them up while I was getting everything else ready.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
17. Store brands don't advertise. It costs the same to make pasta. Advertised brands cost more.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 12:16 PM
Feb 2012

It isn't a rocket science project. The store brands are cheaper and I defy anyone to distinguish a store brand from an identically shaped expensive brand.

As for "fresh" pasta, that's a different story. If it is made fresh and sold from the place that makes it, then it will definitely be superior. No major brand does that.

Making your own is good, but the consistency is completely different. At first it seems like you're eating playdough, but that's only because what we mostly eat has no texture. The flavor will always be superior. I highly recommend it.

Getting back to brands - fuck the names. Go with price per quantity and if it's the same, buy the store brand just to support them. The same is true with cereals. Oat rings are fucking oat rings, dammit! Oatmeal is oatmeal. I don't need cartoon characters to make me feel better about being up too early.

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