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HereSince1628 Jan 2013 OP
Neoma Jan 2013 #1
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #3
annabanana Jan 2013 #2
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #4
Denninmi Jan 2013 #5
HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #6
Denninmi Jan 2013 #7
libodem Jan 2013 #8
Denninmi Jan 2013 #9

Response to HereSince1628 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:20 PM

1. Well, the way it works here, is that I can't apply for a gun until 5 years after I was submitted.

To psychward. Which is really something I don't give a fuck about, but that's all I've been told. No idea otherwise, gun wise.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:35 PM

3. I'm not sure where you are, but the varying laws by states is in the table at the ncls link

I have no interest in purchasing or even temporalily possessing a firearm.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:23 PM

2. Item #5 (A-F) sounds very specific.

I guess they're specific if there's empirical agreement as to what those diagnosis are.

Items # 1-4, on the other hand, seem to cover anyone who had sought any kind of mental help, or substance abuse help at all.

If all these things were coupled with something that the Dr considered a serious, apt to be acted-upon threat, then I could understand the urge to require reporting.

Otherwise the net seems way way too big.

At least to me

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Response to annabanana (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:40 PM

4. Yes, well that's Texas law, and it reflects whats accepted there. But, lest we forget

that's the state whose textbook committee basically picks science and history content for all of American public schools.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:06 PM

5. Nice, huh?

Let's pile on some more discrimination and indignity.

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Response to Denninmi (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:23 PM

6. I'm sorry if this is upsetting to you.

By definition we can't know what we don't know. We certainly won't know what we refuse to learn.

It's really a glass half empty vs half full thing.

If you go thru the table at the ncls site and read the summary descriptions of each state's law, you'll see that Texas is something of an outlier. The summary about Texas law represents a place I don't want to see federal definitions go to for a broader definition of who should be in the NICS.

Between the lines there is also a broad image of how lawmakers respond to meeting the needs of their constituents.
Mostly that ncls list refers to outcomes which aren't arbitrary and do insure due process. That also means some of them are otherwise.











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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:34 PM

7. You don't have to be sorry.

You're just researching and reporting, and doing a great job of it at that.

Well, at least I got one laugh out of it - good old Oklahoma, one of the big "gun culture" states -- prohibits a knowing transfer to a person who is "mentally ill or emotionally unbalanced" -- that is probably half of their population.

Yes, it's very upsetting. I don't LIKE being treated like garbage, either by my own government or by the "other side".

It's hard enough keeping some shred of dignity with my initial little, shall we say, "problems" -- this just compounds it. I want ALL of this to go away, and it won't, now or ever.

I wish they would just do whatever they are going to do to me and get it over with, it would be better than going day after day waiting for the ax to fall.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:56 PM

8. I don't see the restraining order one, here

That was probably the time I came closest to being stalked and murdered by my exhusband, during our separation.

He had hunting rifles but he went out and purchased a handgun, after I left him. I found the paper describing the gun and took it to my lawyer. He blew me off, because it was 1984 and there were no laws against it back then.

One night, I was driving home from work, he waited on an off ramp, and jumped on the freeway as I drove by. When I saw him in my rear view mirror, all the spit in my mouth dried up and I tasted tin. Both my legs started shaking so violently I could barely drive. He chased me all the way to the battered women's shelter, and I had to ring and bang and beg them to let me in before he could get me, they broke the rules and buzzed me in. They are not supposed to open the door if an abuser can get in with you. I was sure he was going to kill me and the baby inside me, right then and there.

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Response to libodem (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:04 PM

9. Wow, how horrible.

The capacity to do evil confounds me.

I tried to get my mom out of the abuse back in 1989. She went to her brother's for 2 nights, then ... Said he would just hunt her down and kill her if she left.

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