Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:24 PM
Celebration (15,401 posts)
Can Eye Movements Treat Trauma?
Scientific American
Imagine you are trying to put a traumatic event behind you. Your therapist asks you to recall the memory in detail while rapidly moving your eyes back and forth, as if you are watching a high-speed Ping-Pong match. The sensation is strange, but many therapists and patients swear by the technique, called eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR). Although skeptics continue to question EMDR's usefulness, recent research supports the idea that the eye movements indeed help to reduce symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
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| Celebration | Jan 2013 | OP | |
| Jackpine Radical | Jan 2013 | #1 | |
| Celebration | Jan 2013 | #2 | |
| Dont call me Shirley | Jan 2013 | #3 | |
| Warpy | Jan 2013 | #4 | |
| Jackpine Radical | Jan 2013 | #5 | |
| Warpy | Jan 2013 | #6 | |
| Jackpine Radical | Jan 2013 | #7 |
Response to Celebration (Original post)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jackpine Radical (36,575 posts)
1. The "eye movement" part of this is a red herring.
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EMDR is often done with other forms of bilateral stimulation, such as taps on the backs of the hands or shoulders, or with clicks presented to alternating ears, etc. You can even have the client cross their arms across their chest and tap themselves on the shoulders. I know a lot of therapists who have used it for many years, and they swear by it. Sometimes you can clear traumatic baggage in just a few sessions.
By way of disclosure, I have used it clinically since I was trained in it in 1996, and consider it an indispensable therapeutic tool. |
Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #1)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:40 PM
Celebration (15,401 posts)
2. yes, anecdotally all of that works
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But it is hard to get this information out into the mainstream, which is why the Scientific American article is good.
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Response to Celebration (Original post)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:11 PM
Dont call me Shirley (1,395 posts)
3. YES. IT WORKS
Response to Celebration (Original post)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:21 PM
Warpy (69,153 posts)
4. EMDR has been controversial for the last 10 years
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because it doesn't work 100% of the time, but what does?
It really does seem to work spectacularly in a few people, reasonably well in many others, not at all in a few. It's a technique psychologists need to be trained in. I'm just glad they're doing the grunt work of measuring the quantifiable things like GSR. Maybe it'll be less controversial after this study. It's one of those things that looks like pure woo but isn't. |
Response to Warpy (Reply #4)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:51 PM
Jackpine Radical (36,575 posts)
5. Actually, I have some pre-post-EMDR EEG data collected at least 15 years ago.
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showing dramatic diferences in brain activation patterns.
And before getting into EMDR I used brainwave training to address PTSD, training slow-wave activity, which then releases traumatic materials that you work through in therapy with the client. After learning EMDR, I integrated the 2 approaches, which turned out to be quite complementary. |
Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #5)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:56 PM
Warpy (69,153 posts)
6. Nice to hear from someone still in the trenches
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I'm just glad to see real treatments for PTSD emerge after all these years of returning soldiers left in misery to self medicate with alcohol or numb out with heavy drugs.
It just sounds preposterous that something like moving one's eyes would work when nothing else has. |
Response to Warpy (Reply #6)
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jackpine Radical (36,575 posts)
7. I'm sure there are other ways to do it besides bilateral stim.
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I think the essence is really to provide a somewhat distracting stimulus that keeps people from escalating into traumatic states while processing the memories. Bilateral stim works, so does alpha-theta brainwave biofeedback.
Here's a link to a section in a book that discusses some of my writing on the integration of the 2 methods. http://books.google.com/books?id=EzMhV3EpdqEC&pg=PA207&lpg=PA207&dq=peterson+neurotherapy+EMDR&source=bl&ots=xthMutFGqp&sig=96zC3DxpbyUxXXp-52fp1NTw2Ys&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FSb_UO_ILIS-qgGf3IHADg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=peterson%20neurotherapy%20EMDR&f=false The original article doesn't seem to be online anymore. The original reference is below, but you'd probably have to get it through your library or something: Peterson, J.M. (2000). Notes on the role of neurotherapy in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder. Biofeedback, 28, 3. |

