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obamanut2012

(25,869 posts)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 08:04 PM Dec 2012

Proposal to Amend DU TOS Language

This discussion thread is pinned.

The hosts of four groups on DU, Feminists Group, History of Feminism, Feminism and Diversity and Women's Rights have come together to ask for your input on the topic of sexist and misogynistic posts on DU and whether the language of the Terms of Service provide sufficient guidance on whether such posts are acceptable.

The Terms of Service on Democratic Underground are absent of any mention of sexism or misogyny directly. There is a prohibition of bigotry based on gender but we have seen that not all DUers interpret this language to include sexism and misogyny. We are advocating for these bigotries to be explicitly added to the Terms of Service on DU, to aid in our struggles to eliminate these bigotries from DU. We request your input and your support is critical. Spread the news and show your support here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12565203

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Warpy

(110,746 posts)
1. I would rather cringe at the occasional word
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 08:15 PM
Dec 2012

than have to cope with a banned words list.

However, I would also love to see blatantly sexist posts that don't even use the mean and nasty sexual slurs be hidden more consistently than they are now.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
3. Well I do recall a jury about using the word bitch as a verb.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 08:32 PM
Dec 2012

As a feminist, I did not think it was sexist, I use it all the time. I believe that terminology laying out inappropriate language should be a general one addressing all forms of bigotry. If the current one does not do that, I think amending it would be fine.

obamanut2012

(25,869 posts)
4. I do not understand why you are also talking about a banned word list
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 08:34 PM
Dec 2012

It does not state that in the pinned thread. Sexism and misogyny is not mentioned in TOS. Should it be?

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
9. I was merely replying to your statement that nobody is talking about a banned word list.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:02 PM
Dec 2012

Your post was in reply to a post by Warpy who did not want a banned word list. I thought I would add a little lighthearted commentary about my experience on a jury about a word that maybe someone thought should have been on a banned word list.

On a more serious note, I must admit I have not read the TOS and I do not know how it describes dealing with inappropriate language. However, if there is such a clause, it should be inclusive so that no group feels left out, but, and this is where I agree with Warpy, not so restrictive that a banned word list is necessary. The instance that I mentioned where someone found a word offensive was not used in a derogatory way. It was not a slur that was directed at anyone, but a fairly common expression that had a double meaning.

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
5. Yes, I think sexism and misogyny should be in the TOS
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:03 PM
Dec 2012

But as you can see, there's confusion about what that actually means, even among feminists.

Someone wrote a post recently about how individuals think in gendered terms, which may make it more difficult for some people to recognize sexism and misogyny than racism and homophobia.

It's also true that some people see sexism and misogyny when it's NOT there.

So, while I absolutely agree that sexism and misogyny should be in the TOS, perhaps, it should be spelled out more clearly.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
6. The current TOS gives some examples for the other guidelines.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:16 PM
Dec 2012

Part of this process could be to help with what that could look like for an amended TOS. I think there are probably a few that we could get some consensus on.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
7. Specific language on this is definitely needed
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:37 PM
Dec 2012

Admin also needs to spell out specific language on bullying/harassment.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
10. Agreed.
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:22 PM
Dec 2012

The lack of specific language on any number of issues can be construed as endorsement. Sexism and bullying are both areas where refinement of the TOS would be helpful.

Response to Neoma (Reply #11)

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
16. Suggestions on change up f/ vote?
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 12:58 AM
Jan 2015

That there seems to be confusion on what constitutes "prohibition of bigotry based on gender" is distressing in itself. Do folks not know what bigotry is? Or us 'gender' the confusing word?

Care needs to be taken on wording. Some are easily offended, some too easily. Bullying should be the big no-no but I imagine there are a few who would disagree on its threshhold.

Apparently a revision needs to be made. I suggest a poll on the wording (2 or 3 revisions).

ariadne0614

(1,679 posts)
17. Let's face it. Sexist/Misogynistic language and attitudes are explosive subjects.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 11:04 AM
Sep 2020

I would love to see them disappear from DU, and frequently “stifle myself” when I would rather deliver a scathing rebuke. Sadly, even in the DU community, the willingness to refrain from overt expressions of racism doesn’t extend to misogyny and sexism.

I believe the very idea of imposing restraints on language that demeans women and/or characteristics classified as “feminine” would be met with a fierce backlash. That doesn’t mean we should continue to grin and bear it, but maybe there’s a more creative approach.

Changing hearts and minds around this intractable problem will require nothing short of redefining “manhood” itself. Until the men of DU are willing to endure the discomfort of evolving beyond their patriarchal conditioning, the imposition of new rules could create a backlash of unintended consequences.

Finally, as much as I share the fervent desire to rid this community of its all too frequent outbursts of sexism and misogyny, the timing of this proposal may not be optimal. Now more than ever, we need to present a united front. Just sayin’.

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