i would like to make a proposal for this forum. i would like to suggest that we keep all

[seabeyond]

outside confrontations with other forums/people in meta, and keep the feminist forum for feminist issues.

i am not saying this well, and all can help to discuss and define. not a rule. i am not really into making rules. but, when we have issues like we have had recently, have a thread in meta for the drama, trauma of it all.

i will be the first to say, i have brought jury votes into this forum. which could have brought other people into the forum who really have no reason or desire to participate in this forum, per our statement.

[WingDinger]

1. Get it off the latest page.

[seabeyond]

2. ah... but then you guys wont knwo to come in here and participate in topics you are interested in

i love having the traffic and various opinion and thought. and i love having them in an environment we have to think and discuss, per the rules, instead of namecalling and snarky comments.

there is no way i want it off the front page.

and this is more for us members. when we are going to get in a fight, take it out of this forum and do it in meta.

[WingDinger]

3. Maybe a non contentious feminist page, only for edification and

telling of coming events, developments and other announcements?

Leaving the one to hash out coalitions?

[seabeyond]

4. huh? lol. you are over my head in org and tech skill, lol

but someone else may pick up on it.

[kestrel91316]

5. "Have a thread in meta" - can somebody translate this into English??

[seabeyond]

6. meta... meta and help forum. it is where gripes go. thread....

it is what we create on these board in which to have a discussions with many posts.

[wildflower]

7. I like this idea

Sorry I'm coming in late to this. I think your idea is good.

Also, is there a policy on blocking? For example, someone who comes in here and posts (e.g. "there is no sexism anymore, you ladies need to chill out&quot is warned once to read the SoP, then blocked after that?

I think having these two policies in place would help a lot to make the group a safe haven. But a lot of this would be up to the hosts (locking and blocking), so I hope they weigh in.

[seabeyond]

8. you are the 3rd or 4th to suggest that on the blocking. one warning.... and boom

blocked.

sigh.... i am not good at that. but i have all the faith in the world there are other host that are better than i.....

ALL of the women on this board is part of the creation of it, imo. and though i may not be good at it, all one has to do is pm me and let me know how they feel.

cause

if you havent heard, lol

i really am not good at it.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

9. I wonder if there's a way to rig juries

so that alerts in the Feminist group would be handled by juries made up of members of that group.

As you indicated, alerts will draw jurors from anywhere, who are judging posts in a forum that to some extent has its own language. Or at least it has very specific definitions for certain words. No way jurors are going to learn the language, not from a few posts.

Then, because some jurors made a "wrong" decision, the arguments are brought up in H&M, complete with more links back to the Feminist forum, compounding the problem.

I don't know what to make of "closed" or "protected" forums, but if we're going to have them, the software should support/enforce the closure.

[laconicsax]

19. There isn't any way to do what you suggest.

[yardwork]

28. I don't think that is necessary. All groups should uphold DU community standards, imo.

Yes, sometimes juries miss nuance and may not understand the culture of a particular group, but really, no DU group should be allowing discourse that would be unallowable elsewhere on the site.

[Violet_Crumble]

10. That's a good and long overdue proposal...

In doing so, it makes it much clearer to spot if people turn up to disrupt the group

[seabeyond]

11. after posting this, i had a post hidden. i so wanted to start another thread. but took it to meta.

it worked out really well. i think this is doable.

[yardwork]

12. Your thread in Meta has turned out to be very good, lots of good discussion there.

[seabeyond]

13. i think it did, too

in large part, because of you.

thanks.

[yardwork]

14. ....

[UnrepentantLiberal]

15. Wouldn't that be using the Help & Meta forum as this group's trash heap?

I don't think this is what Help & Meta was created for.

[seabeyond]

16. no. it would be used to address issues we have on du. and i think that is absolutely the intent

of meta

thanks for playing.

[UnrepentantLiberal]

17. It would be using Help & Meta to stage toxic flame wars you'd rather not have in this forum.

You said as much in the OP.

but, when we have issues like we have had recently, have a thread in meta for the drama, trauma of it all.

[seabeyond]

18. it would eb using meta as intended to address the issues at du instead of the forum

where it does not belong.

[seabeyond]

21. we are being "nice ladies" and not even warning them. the poster felt the need to take it to META

and have a discussion about this OP so people can go in and trash us there. lol. or me, anyway

[yardwork]

26. I see the thread in Meta, but I don't read it as a call-out of you or of your post here.

I think that the poster has a reasonable question. We're still working our way through new DU. What is the appropriate role of Meta? I felt that the poster asked that question in a reasonable and respectful manner.

[seabeyond]

31. flame wars as opposed to issues concerning du, is a reasonable and respectful? nt

[yardwork]

32. Please show me the quote. I may be being dense.

[LeftyMom]

22. Since when do you get to decide who has "no fucking business in this forum"?

From what I can tell a lot of people WANT to talk about feminism and can't because of the way this forum is currently being run. Trying to run off anybody who disagrees with you is not acceptable behavior and it's certainly not promoting feminist discourse on this site.

Hell, if this was my first experience with discussion of feminist theory, I'd run screaming.

[seabeyond]

23. they are not talking about feminist issues. they are breaking the SOP rules.

she is a host.

it is her job.

[LeftyMom]

24. Discussing how the group is run is certainly on-topic.

[yardwork]

27. Where are SOP rules being broken in this thread?

[seabeyond]

29. this is about disrupting the feminist forum. nt

[yardwork]

30. ???? I am not trying to be difficult, I really don't see it.

Edited to add - I don't see any disruption of this group by outsiders.