so looking forward to this!

[niyad]

[Android3.14]

1. Looking forward to Madame President as well, but...

The imperious snark is going to have unfortunate consequences. A rereading of Susan Faludi's "Backlash" might be in order.

[niyad]

2. "imperious snark"?? to what, exactly, are you referring?

[Android3.14]

3. The "get used to it" portion of the meme

To what do you think I was referring?

[niyad]

4. why is that imperious snark? because she is supposed to be humble and unassuming, or

some such drivel? If I knew, I would not have asked.

[Android3.14]

7. Ah, I see. You are inferring attitudes I never expressed.

She is not saying "get used to it". You are. I sense an attitude of someone who feels they must rub someone else's nose in the same crap they had to endure.

If you think the inverse of snark is "humble and unassuming", then you really should read Backlash. Just like we've seen the racism come bubbling over with the election of Obama, so will we see misogyny and a a celebration of patriarchy surge with Clinton in the White House.

After Backlash, you might also check out The Chalice and The Blade: Our History, Our Future by Riane Eisler. The solution to moving past our dominion model of men isn't the imposition of a dominion model of women, but the fostering of a partnership model.

[niyad]

8. wow. you know, I would laugh if this were actually funny.

and, for your information, I am well acquainted with both books you mentioned, and do not need instruction as to their meaning.


but keep trying, some of us need the laughs.

[Android3.14]

10. Who's trying to be funny?

The OP is what it is.

[Squinch]

5. Good God! This is just freakin' nuts.

[niyad]

9. can't you just FEEL the concern?

[Squinch]

11. Oh, yes. And the desire to educate us about feminism by referring us to "Backlash."

Because someone said, "Get used to it."

This campaign is really making some people irrational. It's really freaking out a certain type of people.

[niyad]

15. I find it interesting that the poster has not expressed the same concern to this OP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512258243

[Android3.14]

12. Oh pshaw.

Calling someone a concern troll is just a tactic to justify a weak premise.

[niyad]

14. I find it quite telling that you have not expressed your concerns to this OP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512258243

but, as I said, keep trying. some people might actually believe you.

[Android3.14]

19. I find it telling that you think feminism is about being mean

It isn't.

[niyad]

24. wow, talk about projection. but, do keep trying. as I said, we need the laughs.

[Squinch]

16. Alternatively, it is a way to point out a concern troll.

[niyad]

25. once again, it is all about "tone". I find it interesting that this person thinks s/he

needs to instruct us on what feminism is, and isn't.

[Squinch]

31. We women just don't get feminism. We need to be taught. Thank god there are good souls

out there willing to give us reading lists.

[niyad]

32. I know. we are just sooooo fortunate in that regard. and, not only the reading list,

but an explanation of what we are instructed to read, since we clearly cannot figure it out on our own.

[LiberalLoner]

17. Wow, eight hides already. Interesting.

[uhnope]

30. we've had 8 years of backlash...I wonder if it could get any worse

referring to the RW/cultural reaction to Obama. Which was even worse than the RW/cultural reaction to Bill Clinton.

[niyad]

33. the backlash against Hillary is going to be even worse than we have seen with Obama. and

not all from the reichwingnutjobs, either.

[sheshe2]

6. Huge Kick and Rec!

Thanks, niyad.

[BlueMTexpat]

13. K & R!!!!!

Me too!

[SheilaT]

18. Yeah, that really is a degree of snark that's uncalled for.

Once again, if the intention is to win over those who aren't already enthusiastic supporters, this is not the way to do it. In fact, it's the imperious entitlement embedded in it that makes it clear that she doesn't really need to woo any more voters. This makes it really easy for someone not convinced to vote for her that there's no need to. She's going to be President, no matter what.

[Squinch]

21. It is a way to tell Republicans to get used to it, because they suck at anything to do with women.

It isn't about your primary candidate or his supporters.

[SheilaT]

22. Okay, so it's aimed totally and only at Republicans.

But it definitely won't win over any of them.

Maybe something a bit more conciliatory, more in line with extolling her virtues, the good things she'll do as President would convince some of them to vote for her.

Otherwise, such a slogan just hardens feelings against her, and if she hopes to be an effective President, there needs to be something that reaches out and welcomes. Otherwise, what will be seen in that slogan is a big "Fuck you!" Not a good way to set the tone for the next four or eight years.

[Squinch]

23. Kay.

[niyad]

27. and, once again, we get the "tone" lecture. gets old.

[SheilaT]

28. If you think the tone doesn't matter,

then why would you ever complain about the tone anyone else uses? The complaints about Bernie's supporters and how they dissed Hillary, the complaints about how the Donald treats everyone with contempt?

A few phrases come to mind here:
You reap what you sow
What goes around comes around

And then there's the classic about doing unto others.

[niyad]

29. and right back to you. it has long since ceased to amaze me that the bernie supporters

who spewed endless hate against hillary always denied that they were doing anything of the kind.

note--hillary won.

[SheilaT]

34. Then why not use a slogan

that shows the genuine joy you feel at her winning? Rather than something that is a giant FU?

Something more on the order of

Madame President
How I like the sound of that

Plus, at the risk of again annoying you, most of the time what was interpreted as hate was simple fact.

[niyad]

35. righhhhhhhht

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. ...

[niyad]

26. . . . .