Dan Savage: 4/27/12

[Duncan Grant]

This is amazing.

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[Swede Atlanta]

1. Some may take issue with his "bullshit" statement and open attack on the Bible but...

even as a gay, Christian, he is spot on.

Christians have cherry-picked the Old and New Testaments to suit their own personal beliefs and life styles. I'm sure Suzie bible-lover will go home to Mommy and Daddy and say she was subjected to an attack on religion.

No, Suzie, you were subjected to an aggressive challenge to your religion's assertion they are the only ones that speak for Christians. You are being challenged to consider the hypocrisy of so many in your faith as Dan Savage points out.

The problem with you so-called Christians (I suggest Jesus would ask who you were), is that you dish it out but can't take it in return.

As Harry Truman said, "If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen". For you that means shut the fuck up and go live your little step ford wive lives subservient to your husband, beating your children when they disobey and treating your African-American cleaning person as your slave.

Good luck with that!!! I'm bidding on a birds-eye view on Judgment Day

[MuseRider]

2. Outstanding.

Duncan! Thanks for posting this. Outstanding.

[Duncan Grant]

14. Savage is going all "1991" on them.

I love the old-fashioned direct approach "demonstrated" here by Savage. All this equivocation in recent years has resulted in lots of progress with no real change.

(Wonderful to see you, MuseRider. )

[MuseRider]

18. Oh I so agree with you.

Equivocation has been the way we have all lost. You can't do that when dealing with zealots. shoot you can't even talk to them from your own perspective as shown so well in this video.

Duncan XOXOXOXOXO

[RetiredTrotskyite]

22. Blessed Be to That!

Fundies tend not to respond to our trying to be diplomatic or even just nice. They only understand being condemned as they condemn and being backed into a corner as they so love to try to do to those of whom they disapprove.

[Zorra]

3. Thanks! K&R for truth. Two excellent points:

"We ignore what the bible says about slavery because the bible got slavery...wrong "

"I have a right to defend myself. And to point out the hypocrisy of people who justify anti-gay bigotry by pointing to the bible, and insisting we must live by the code of Leviticus on this one issue and no other."

[Duncan Grant]

15. Savage face-slapped them with the loaves and fishes.

Mel White (SoulForce) used to talk about this obstacle to LGBT equality: If the evangelicals have to admit they're wrong about gays, it will destroy their entire cosmology. To them, it will be the end of faith, the end to many mansions in heaven, streets of gold, etc. and so on.

They must be very frightened by the prospect. Even the liberal, progressive Christians can't reach them.

[edgineered]

4. Impressive!

A brilliant strategy and an excellent delivery too.

There is no doubt in how effectively he showed everyone not only the ironies of religious teachings, but,

clearly HOW WEAK those who thought it took strength to walking out,

was to illustrate not the bravery, and not the strength, but a FEAR so frightening to run from reality,

to prove for all to see their DISLOYAL natures by showing how 'those not like me' will be treated -

and now every single one of those who walked will carry forever the heavy burden of lying to themselves as a dark secret,

that they cannot ask one another to comfort their own hollow heart without appearing SPINELESS,

in that the first to speak of it becomes the different one,
the one who your friends abandon, and that will hurt.

Watch as those around you grow and learn, but don't wait too long - you may be wishing for freedom of choice.

[laconicsax]

5. As an aside, in a discussion of this exact event elsewhere on DU, Savage is being called a bully.

Sadly not a joke.

[HillWilliam]

6. I assume we're taking notes

I've been busy all day and haven't had a chance to check in. I won't apologize for Dan Savage. In this regard he is absolutely spot-on. We've taken shyte from bullies who pick and choose between verses to hate on someone else but won't follow the majority of the dictums themselves.

Hypocrites. I despise them every one.

There are exemplary Christians who get the Gospels. I'm grateful for their support. The nutwing lot, not so much. If they're going to dish out hate, they need to get used to the fact we're no longer their doormats. If they're going to dish out shyte, they must expect a dose of reality in return.

Bravo, Dan.

[Duppers]

9. ....

[HillWilliam]

10. Duppers!!!

Don't be a stranger here.

[Duppers]

20. I'm a reader here

And I should post more....but those posts would be just one bravo after another.

Love & hugs, dear friend.

[HillWilliam]

24. Love y'all fiercely

Glad to see you on FB, too.

[Duncan Grant]

16. LGBT people are suffering at the hands of these monsters but we're the bully?

Yeah, right. The people who suffer most from this irrational vilification of gay men are young teenage boys in every corner of the country. It's despicable. And it's an indefensible argument against Dan Savage.

[laconicsax]

17. Tell that to this guy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=23775

[Smarmie Doofus]

7. Electrifying. Where and when was this? n/t

[Duncan Grant]

12. JEA/NSPA National High School Journalism Convention

Teen Christians Vs. Dan Savage At Student Journalism Conference

[Hieronymus]

8. Gotta love Dan Savage.

[dickthegrouch]

11. So many closed minds walking out

"Pansy assed" is far too kind. Terrified wimps would be far closer to the truth.

[Duncan Grant]

13. Correction: The conference was April 12-15, 2012 in Seattle.

It looks like the remarks were made about two weeks ago. I respect Dan's bold, in-your-face approach. He's clear about the issue (The "It gets better" campaign) and basically says, don't be complicit when the bible pathologizes gays and lesbians (or more accurately: Anyone who isn't like you).

[Fearless]

19. Amazing!

[xchrom]

21. I'm gay, Christian and savage is right.

Too bad those kids walked out.

[RetiredTrotskyite]

23. And People Wonder Why Some Mock Christianity...

If their faith is so wonderful and true, why did they run off, some of them crying. I certainly hope it never happens, but if they cry and run off at a Dan Savage talk, what will they do if they ever face REAL persecution. I would have respected them more if they had stayed and challenged him. Obviously their faith must not be as strong as they imagined it to be.