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Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:29 PM

I'm really curious as to what LGBT folk think of Robertsons latest 'offering' re LGBT folks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002606241

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Reply I'm really curious as to what LGBT folk think of Robertsons latest 'offering' re LGBT folks (Original post)
stevenleser Apr 2012 OP
William769 Apr 2012 #1
stevenleser Apr 2012 #4
Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #16
stevenleser Apr 2012 #20
Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #21
MNBrewer Apr 2012 #26
RetiredTrotskyite Apr 2012 #27
HillWilliam Apr 2012 #5
William769 Apr 2012 #7
HillWilliam Apr 2012 #24
xchrom Apr 2012 #2
stevenleser Apr 2012 #3
Maven Apr 2012 #6
stevenleser Apr 2012 #8
William769 Apr 2012 #9
stevenleser Apr 2012 #12
William769 Apr 2012 #13
stevenleser Apr 2012 #14
William769 Apr 2012 #15
stevenleser Apr 2012 #17
William769 Apr 2012 #18
racaulk Apr 2012 #10
Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #11
The Philosopher Apr 2012 #19
Fearless Apr 2012 #22
beyurslf Apr 2012 #23
BillStein Apr 2012 #25

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:49 PM

1. He can still kiss my ass.

Answer your question?

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Response to William769 (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:54 PM

4. It sure does.

I guess I looked at that and thought, finally, someone on that side, crazy and screwed up as they are, has spoken out against the bullying.

Is it progress, honestly I am not sure and if you say no, I'm willing to accept that as the answer.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:30 PM

16. I see you are actually asking....let me take a shot at this....

What he is saying is just a riff on the constant refrain of the hate preacher-that they are in fact expressing love and that they would not harm anyone...'love the sinner, hate the sin' is the wee saying they worked up as a catch all. These 'ministers' will say 'love' while they also call for war on us, call us pedophiles, murderers, you name it. It's all love. There is nothing new in Pat's rap at all. The same rhetorical tactic is used in secular terms as well. Those out to do great slander do not announce that fact, they come smiling and claiming some form of caring or affinity, from political support to the love of God, it is always 'we mean no harm' and then the hate message.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:40 PM

20. I can see that...

Not sure if you saw the link but this was my kneejerk reaction: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002606241#post3

I guess I was a little too eager to see some kind of progress coming from that direction.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:08 PM

21. This is an area of interest to me...

I actually think it good that you would hope for and see the good in what he is saying. Imagine Pat speaking like a human, it's easy if you try....

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 06:52 PM

26. Looks to me like he's saying bullying gay people is bad, gay sex is worse.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 07:06 PM

27. Agreed.

This is just more of their desire to appear "loving" towards us. In the meantime, though, we are still abominations as are our lives. They still want us back in the closet basically. Yep I did catch the hate in there. And Christian Fundies wonder why we call them out as the liars and hypocrites that they are.

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Response to William769 (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:56 PM

5. I wouldn't let Robertson kiss my ass

with George Clooney's lips.

That's sayin' a lot.

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Response to HillWilliam (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:00 PM

7. Hey leave Georgie boy out of this!

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Response to William769 (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:40 AM

24. Only until he's nekkid

then all bets are off.

Me first

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:49 PM

2. As long as you declare I am an abomination

You can not 'treat' me w/ Love.

Well you can - but that would take a sex club and leather masks.

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Response to xchrom (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:52 PM

3. LOL!

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:00 PM

6. I just replied in the thread.

Do you think I was too subtle?

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Response to Maven (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:06 PM

8. Way too subtle. What do you REALLY think. LOL.

Seriously though, I get the message. Way too little, way too late.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:12 PM

9. I just replied in that thread.

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Response to William769 (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:15 PM

12. I want to steal part of that for my Facebook post on the subject. nt

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:17 PM

13. Be my guest.



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Response to William769 (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:23 PM

14. I think it's public

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:28 PM

15. It's asking me to log in.

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Response to William769 (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

17. Grrrr Facebook. I included the link to rawstory with the following comment

Actually Pat Robertson, bullying is the abomination. Neither of us have any experience with gay sex so I think the only thing to do is to defer to the opinions of my friends in the LGBT community. They seem to like gay sex a lot and they are good people. I think religious people focusing negative attention on gay people is an abomination. How about that?

And I tagged Pat Robertson in the post.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

18. Sounds good.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:13 PM

10. I think the disconnect is stunning.

It completely escapes me how Robertson, and many like him, are completely unable to see how their words and actions lead to anti-gay bullying. If religious fundamentalist leaders, spokespeople, parents, and teachers consistently tell children that gay people are evil, sinful, disgusting pedophiles, then why are they surprised when those same children act out on that messaging and attack people they perceive as being gay?

So many young people are constantly worried about what others are thinking of them. I think anti-gay bullying, in a way, is a self-protection mechanism that young people can use to keep others from thinking they are gay, and therefore making them the victims of the same bullying. It's all a vicious cycle of fear and control. Can you think of a system of belief that is largely based upon fear and control? I can think of a few.

It's possible that Robertson and his ilk think they are acting from a place of love and helping to bring people closer to God. Personally, I think they can shove their specific brand of Christian love straight up their asses because I have no use for it. (I realize not all Christians believe as Robertson does, but far too many do.)

Yes, Robertson is right in that anti-gay bullying is wrong. But it's not wrong for the reasons he thinks.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:14 PM

11. I think all these con men need some new material.....

Other great unsung abominations need some attention. Lending with interest. A proud look. Almost no one preaches against worship of the Idols of Zidon or of Ammon anymore....Eating unclean things, such as shrimp, pork, now there's an area of abomination those well fed crooks forget to mention. Remarriage, there's another one....

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 09:37 PM

19. His definition of "love" is harmful.

It negates his call to stop bullying.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:48 PM

22. Sounds like he's into the "tolerating us" stage...

It's progress from the hellfire and brimstone. Still, he's an asshat.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:51 PM

23. I'd tell him to kiss my ass but I wouldn't let that man near me.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 10:53 AM

25. For Pat, it's progress

I mean, he's almost up to 1969.... that's several centuries beyond any prior comments on the subject

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