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Fri Jun 8, 2012, 03:03 AM

Article in NY Times predicted Kennedy's assassination almost two months before it happened

Despite the claims that relations with the agency were only momentarily strained by the embarrassment to the U.S. government and the CIA due to the failed invasion, withheld intelligence and a general atmosphere of distrust led to the Kennedy brothers firing Allen Dulles, Richard M. Bissell and Charles P. Cabell in November 1961. Allen Dulles, who had been the head of the CIA was replaced by John McCone. After the assassination Dulles lobbied hard to be part of the investigation.

A particularly noteworthy article concerning Kennedy's relationship to the CIA was written by journalist Arthur Krock, published in the New York Times on Oct 3, 1963. The article, titled "The Intra-Administration War in Vietnam", quoted a high-ranking official in the government as saying "The CIA's growth was 'likened to a malignancy" which the "very high official was not even sure the White House could control...any longer." "If the United States ever experiences (an attempt at a coup to overthrow the government) it will come from the CIA and not the Pentagon." The "agency represents a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theory



My goodness. I guess it's just another one of those amazing coincidences?


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Reply Article in NY Times predicted Kennedy's assassination almost two months before it happened (Original post)
gyroscope Jun 2012 OP
gyroscope Jun 2012 #1
AlwaysQuestion Jun 2012 #15
zappaman Jun 2012 #2
gyroscope Jun 2012 #3
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #4
gyroscope Jun 2012 #5
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #6
gyroscope Jun 2012 #7
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #8
gyroscope Jun 2012 #10
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #12
gyroscope Jun 2012 #14
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #16
gyroscope Jun 2012 #17
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #18
gyroscope Jun 2012 #19
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #20
gyroscope Jun 2012 #21
gyroscope Jun 2012 #22
zappaman Jun 2012 #23
apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #26
zappaman Jun 2012 #9
gyroscope Jun 2012 #11
zappaman Jun 2012 #13
twitter1 Jun 2012 #24
zappaman Jun 2012 #25
Bucky Jun 2012 #27
The Great Haku Jun 2012 #28
zappaman Jun 2012 #29

Response to gyroscope (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 10:49 AM

1. Yet another amazing one in a billion coincidence

George de Mohrenschildt, former CIA operative, was found dead of a shotgun blast to the head just days before he was to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. His death was immediately ruled to be a 'suicide' by the coroner (if you can believe that).

Weeks before his convenient death, de Mohrenschildt authored a manuscript called "I am a patsy! I am a patsy!" In it he exonerates Oswald while naming names of various CIA and FBI personnel who framed Oswald to cover their tracks in JFKs assassination. Conveniently enough for those agents, de Mohrenschildt didn't live long enough to testify against them. Golly gee, what are the chances?

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:43 PM

15. Just an observation......

Gee, where's the rest of the gang? Guess the missing didn't think Z and B needed any backup--well, in this instance they figured correctly cuz your remarks didn't bring in the support they so richly deserve. Harvey Oswald, lone gunman! Who believes such crap?

Just as in 911, 9 box cutter carrying cut-ups shored up by kidney diseased ridden Superman, OBL, from an Afghanistani cave foiled all the resources of super power, the U.S.A, including in part, the Prez, the vice-pres, the SofS, the SofD, the CIA, the FBI, NATO, the Generals, and multi-multi trillions worth of defense armaments and complicated systems designed to defend the powerful USA the highly honed, trained, practiced, sophisticated systems designed to protect presidents just upped and died on those two fateful days. We should be damn thankful that China or India or Russia wasn't feeling their oats on 911.

As corrupt as I see the governments of the US and their coalition of the willing, I'll take these devils any day. But, we make a huge mistake when we don't face up to the many problems inherent in our governments these days.

Those who've been brainwashed are destined to live out their lives........brainwashed..........But then again, it's good that the USA and its powerful media tools have semi-managed to semi--reach their goals in the brainwashing domain. Small victory for the government after the events,though==well, sort'f.

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Response to gyroscope (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:40 PM

2. Once I thought of a friend I hadn't talked to in a while

and then he called!
Weird!
Guess that means I'm psychic since there is no other possible explanation!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:49 PM

3. You didn't predict the call

did you?

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 04:04 PM

4. The article doesn't predict the assassination, either. n/t

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 05:36 PM

5. Yes it did

not when it would happen, but that it would.

just a month and half later, the prediction came true.

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 05:55 PM

6. No, it doesn't say anything about an assassination at all. n/t

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 06:18 PM

7. Actually it does

a coup can be carried out either way, through violent or non-violent means.

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 06:58 PM

8. The word "assassination" doesn't appear in the quote.

You yourself just admitted a coup can be carried out in many ways.

Familiarize yourself with the technique of cold reading. Once you understand how that works, you'll see that's what you are doing to yourself. The quote is far too vague to make the kind of specific claim you are making.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:20 PM

10. It was a coup d'etat

or coup for short. in this case a very violent one.

you seem to be having much difficulty grasping the concept. I suggest you acquaint yourself with a good standard English dictionary.

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 09:10 PM

12. Funny coup d'etat that leaves the president's party and brother in power

That in fact facilitates a broad range of the dead president's preferred policies getting through Congress.

Or are you saying LBJ was one of the ringleaders in this coup d'etat?

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:37 PM

14. President's party in power?

that's a good one. thanks for the laugh.

Johnson and Kennedy may have been in the same party, but couldn't have been more at odds with each other when it came to foreign policy, and other issues particularly in regard to SE Asia. One was a dove, the other a hawk.

oh and FYI, RFK wasn't left in power of anything because they murdered him too.



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Response to gyroscope (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:44 PM

16. Yes, President's party, the Democratic Party

So are you going to say you think LBJ did it or not?

Because LBJ leaving Bobby the Attorney General, i.e., in power is an interesting way for him to have acted when leading a coup d'etat. Or was Bobby in on it as well?

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:14 AM

17. if they killed both Bobby and Jack at the same time

then their lone nut story would never be plausible now would it? it would be far too obvious. no one in their right mind would ever believe it, not even you. that one lone nut can take out both the president and his AG? how dimwitted do you have to be to think such a scenario was plausible?



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Response to gyroscope (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:08 AM

18. I don't see how that relieves you of the need to explain why

the President's party and brother were left in power by this coup d'etat.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:39 AM

19. You should do stand-up comedy

your material is really quite good....for a laugh.

and Bobby wasn't left in power, genius. they killed him too. read a history book sometime.

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:54 AM

20. And the circle completes again.

Bobby was still AG after John died. Unless he was in on the coup, he was still in power.

I leave you to your speculations.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:07 AM

21. Let me know when you pass US History 101

perhaps then someone might take your gibberish more seriously.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:36 AM

22. btw, the AG played ZERO role in the prosecution of his brother's murder case

they didn't have to kill Bobby at that time, they simply had to sideline his office altogether by setting up a faux kangaroo 'court' known as the Warren commission. so he would be no potential threat to them at all as AG because he played no role in prosecuting the case of his brother's murder. but they did kill Oswald. which makes it really hard to prosecute a case when the only 'suspect' is dead. there never was a proper trial for his brother's murder, they made damn sure of that. but there was a farce known as the Warren Commission, which Bobby played no part of anyway. so your shaky theory doesn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny.

it was only when Robert Kennedy ran for President and vowed to follow his deceased brother's policies that he became a huge threat to them, so they had him killed.

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:54 PM

23. Have you found the word "assassination" in the article you have "quoted" from?

Me neither.
Ironic how you insult people with their lack of "reading comprehension"...

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 09:35 PM

26. "One was a dove" - Baloney. JFK was an Hawk of Hawks. On his orders, the first 20,000

American combat troops were dispatched to Vietnam; military expenditures were increased to levels that hadn't been seen since WWII (and this keeping in mind that the period 1961-63 was peacetime); and he and his brother spent an inordinate amount of time scheming and cooking up ways to knock off Fidel Castro.

The Trade Mart speech that he was to give that day in Dallas was little more than one long ongoing crowing about how much he - JFK - had increased military spending during the previous years.

Facts: it's best not to start typing on a discussion board without them.

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Response to gyroscope (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 07:39 PM

9. Whoops.

Just painted yourself into a corner with that answer.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:22 PM

11. You too?

the dictionary is your friend.

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Response to gyroscope (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 12:37 PM

13. The dictionary is my friend?

You're the one who headlined Article in NY Times predicted Kennedy's assassination almost two months before it happened.
Maybe you are the one who needs a dictionary, my friend.
Or at least you can point out where in the article the word assassination is used.

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Response to gyroscope (Original post)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:34 PM

24. Give me a break --that's news?

If you want a good, historical account about the Kennedy assassination, please read this:


http://mdatoz.com/report


That dribble that the NYT reports is not news, And if you want a real, jaw-dropping story about the Kennedy assassination, read this:

http://mdatoz.com/hit


That ought to give you a good background about crackpots like Matt Drudge, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc., etc., etc.,

What did you think, every chicken hawk has a mother, don't they?

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Response to twitter1 (Reply #24)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:50 PM

25. you worded your post wrong

you should have said:
"If you want a ridiculous, debunked repeatedly, complete bullshit account about the Kennedy assassination, please read this:"

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Response to gyroscope (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 01:13 PM

27. That's one hell of an insert

"If the United States ever experiences (an attempt at a coup to overthrow the government) it will come from the CIA and not the Pentagon."


It kinda sounds like they were referencing the popular movie Seven Days in May, which had come out just a year before. Still, the read-in of a coup into that quote is the only thing that makes this a "prediction" of any sort. How do we know that, instead of a "coup." the source wasn't actually talking about a "leak" or a "critical report to Congress" coming from the CIA? I think calling this a prediction is a bit of a stretch.

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Response to gyroscope (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:40 AM

28. DU has jumped the shark

 

Wow, people on DU believe in the official version of the Kennedy assassination? Holy crap - the establishment lefties have taken over this place. No more real ones. Good thing that DYEW still has BeyondPoliticsand911 up for the people who aren't morons that love their government.
http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/index.php

You people need to grab a copy of "Let Justice Be Done" by Bill Davy and start reading. What you think has been debunked (as usual) hasn't.

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Response to The Great Haku (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 03:41 PM

29. ooops

looks like it was someone else who jumped the shark...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=212102&sub=trans

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