Report: 30 children shot by Israeli forces since the start of 2015

[Jefferson23]

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Israeli forces shot and injured at least 30 children across the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem since the beginning of this year, according to Defense for Children International- Palestine (DCIP).

DCIP reported that while Israeli military regulation permits the use of live ammunition when a direct mortal threat exists, the organization found no evidence that any of the children injured in 2015 posed such a threat to Israeli forces or settlers.

"The pace at which we are documenting injuries from live ammunition in 2015 shows no sign of slowing down," DCIP advocacy officer Olivia Watson told Ma'an.

"Last year, 11 Palestinian children died as a result of live fire used by Israeli forces."

in full: http://www.maannews.com/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=760075

[oberliner]

1. Children?

The example in the article given is of a 17 year old.

This is the average age of a fighter in the Hamas military wing.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. Thanks for the dehumanization of Palestinian children, ober.

[Jefferson23]

5. It's all the supporters have left, especially after this recent election. n/t

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

11. And then they have the gall to whine and play victim...

"BooHoo, why are you hurting our feelings? Even though Israel treats a portion of its population as second class citizens, while colonizing and penning another population, that doesn't make it an apartheid state."



These backbenchers are a fucking gaggle of Einsteins.

[sabbat hunter]

6. how is it dehumanizing

to point out that a 17yr old is the average age of a Hamas fighter, meaning that these deaths could be because they are part of a terror organization?

[oberliner]

9. I would say 15 and under as children within this context is more reasonable

Especially considering the role of 16-17 year olds in Palestinian society.

[azurnoir]

10. Interesting because when they are in Hamas training camps those ages 15 to 21 are children but when

killed by IDF they are not

Hamas's New Army of Children

The Hamas military training camps, under the motto "Vanguards of Liberation," have attracted some 17,000 Palestinian males aged 15-21. The young recruits were trained how to use various types of weapons, including pistols, rifles and mortars. They were also "educated" about the need to eliminate Israel and "restore Palestinian rights."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5230/hamas-army-children

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113495734

Note to add the article and thread that was generated from it are not mine this was posted to show the conflict of terminology shown here

[geek tragedy]

18. "Especially considering the role of 16-17 year olds in Palestinian society."

Avigdor Lieberman and Naftali Bennett couldn't have said it any more explicitly.

[oberliner]

19. Exactly

Even those guys who don't have half a brain between them are aware of reality.

It does not make any sense to use the same label to describe the shooting of a 17 year old and the shooting of a 9 year old.

[geek tragedy]

22. I rest my case. nt

[Scootaloo]

17. because Oberliner is using an irrelevant factoid to justify shooting children

he is running the assumption that since Mohammad Burqan is seventeen and a Palestinian, he must be a terrorist, and therefor must have deserved to be shot. Ergo so did the other children who were shot.

Have a look at this line from him:

Especially considering the role of 16-17 year olds in Palestinian society.

We must consider that shooting Palestinian teenager is just okay, according to oberliner.

[oberliner]

20. What a BS post

No justification given for shooting children.

To put, for example, 9 year olds and 17 year olds in the same category, however, is stupid.

[azurnoir]

24. why neither is an adult as as pointed out to you when it is Hamas who's actions are being criticized

even a 21 year old is called a child, that when shot dead by IDF the standard suddenly changes is indicative of a roaring double standard

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113498093#post10

[Scootaloo]

26. It's surely smarter than your justification

Really, what you're going with is that Mohammad Burqan is 17, and because Hamas recruits as young as 17, then Mohammad Burqan must have been Hamas, and therefor deserved to be shot.

And then you make the case that all Palestinians ages 16-17 are a similar problem, deserving to be shot.

it's grotesque.

And the thing is, we know you are making this argument solely for Palestinians. You would be in a rage if it were Israeli teenagers getting shot. You would heave in a froth if someone justified Jewish children taking bullets in the exact same way you are justifying it for Arab children. Even though, as you know, Israeli teenagers are an integral part of the IDF, and take an active hand in the oppression and brutalization of Palestinians - including, obviously, shooting Palestinian children.

You are trying to justify shooting children because they are Arab, by making as if you're justifying it because they're teenagers. As if one is better than the other. You're going on some Darren Wilson / George Zimmerman line here, Oberliner.

Again, maybe stick with predicting landslides for kadima and promoting a land swap deal that Israel scuttled fifteen years ago.

[Little Tich]

7. What about Naftali Fraenkel and Gilad Shaer?

They were just 16 when they were kidnapped and murdered by terrorists. I would call them children, not adults. In fact, I consider any innocent victim under the age of 18, Jewish or not, to be a child.

[oberliner]

21. I think infant, child, teen are more useful categories

I think the term child is too broad in this context.

[geek tragedy]

8. Yes, children. The example was a 17 year old boy tending sheep

when one of Israel's Taliban-like settlers shot him for being an Arab.

http://www.maannews.com/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?id=758268

Now 17 year old kids are fair game. Because Hamas.

Thank you for so ably representing the 'liberal' Israeli view.

[Scootaloo]

15. Wow, Oberliner.

Yes, a seventeen year-old is a child.

[oberliner]

23. You are wrong

Maybe look up the word online or in a dictionary?

child
n. 1) a person's natural offspring. 2) a person 14 years and under. A "child" should be distinguished from a "minor" who is anyone under 18 in almost all states.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/child

Another common definition is a person between birth and puberty or a person under the age of majority.

[Scootaloo]

27. The point is that you are arguing he deserved to be shot

because he's 17.

Well, actually because he's an Arab, but you think "he's 17!" is a good cover for that reality.

Well, why that cutoff point? After all, they all become 17 eventually, right?

Well... not all. For instance...

Here's Baha Eldeen Samir Bader, 12, killed by getting shot in the chest by an Israeli soldier in Beit Liqya

Clearly a hardened terrorist.

here's Imam Jamil Ahmed Dweikat, who DID make it to 17, and was killed by an Israeli soldier in Beita

Obviously grown enough to be considered a legitimate target for a bullet to the chest.

Khalil Anati, 10 from the Al-Fawar refugee camp. According to haaretz, a soldier got out of his jeep, took aim, shot Khalil and left.

Obviously a great danger to the good people of israel (Hamas recruits in refugee camps!)

Yousef Shawamra, 14, shot near the apartheid wall south of hebron.

He was picking terrorist herbs!

Four of the eleven children killed last year by Israel. all of which you will unquestionably find justifiable.

[4now]

2. The IDF prefers to attack innocent children.

The IDF murdered over 400 innocent children last summer.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

4. Some ghoul will have you believe that

the children must have been deserving of Israeli death for some fucked up reason.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

14. You aparently have become unhinged, incoherent and overall fuzzy.

[Scootaloo]

16. Reminds me of someone we haven't seen in a while

Well. Several someones. They all kind of blend together.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

25. Yes, all the same...

like a drawer full of the same kind of socks.