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Fri May 11, 2012, 02:51 AM

 

Which israeli leader made the following statements?

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1. “Does a bad law become a good one just because Jews apply it? I say that this law is bad from its very foundation and does not become good because it is practiced by Jews … We oppose administrative detention in principle. There is no place for such detention.”

2. “We do not accept the semi-official view … wherein the state grants rights and is entitled to rescind them. We believe that there are human rights that precede the human form of life called a state.”

3. “We have learned that an elected parliamentary majority can be an instrument in the hands of a group of rulers and act as camouflage for their tyranny. Therefore, the nation must, if it chooses freedom, determine its rights also with regard to the House of Representatives in order that the majority thereof, that serves the regime more than it oversees it, should not negate these rights.”

4. “We would propose that the Knesset enact a law of its own free will, limiting its authority and stipulating that it will not tolerate any legislation that limits oral or written freedom of expression or association, or other basic civil and human rights to be enumerated before the Constitution, Law, and Justice Committee.”

5. “The day will come when a government elected by our people will fulfill the first promise made to the people on the establishment of the state, namely: To elect a founding assembly whose chief function – in any country on earth – is to provide the people with a constitution and issue legislative guarantees of civil liberties and national liberty… For the nation will then be free – above all, free of fear, free of hunger, free of the fear of starvation. That day will come. I can sense that it is coming soon.”

6. “Some say that it is impossible for us to provide full equal rights to Arab citizens of the state because they do not fulfill full equal obligations. But this is a strange claim. True, we decided not to obligate Arab residents, as distinguished from the Druze, to perform military service. But we decided this of our own free will, and I believe that the moral reason for it is valid. Should war break out, we would not want one Arab citizen to face the harsh human test that our own people had experienced for generations.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/07/zionist-history-a-short-quiz/

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Reply Which israeli leader made the following statements? (Original post)
HiPointDem May 2012 OP
Art_from_Ark May 2012 #1
HiPointDem May 2012 #2
Mosby May 2012 #3
shira May 2012 #5
Ken Burch May 2012 #4

Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Fri May 11, 2012, 02:55 AM

1. I'll take a guess and say Golda Meir

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #1)

Fri May 11, 2012, 03:00 AM

2. (wrong) (answer at the end of the article)

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Fri May 11, 2012, 03:49 PM

3. Why do you suppose that Israelis, Americans and Europeans

Have made national security such an important aspect of governance?

What could possibly be the reason?

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Response to Mosby (Reply #3)

Fri May 11, 2012, 07:09 PM

5. Well, in the case of Israel many really don't know the kinds of security risks its civilians face...

And it's intended to be that way.

Thousands of rockets fall into Israel over the years and it's rarely reported outside of Israel. That issue is never raised at the UN except by Israel's Ambassador and a couple of NGO's.

The best example is when the killing of the ISM bigot, Vittorio Arrigoni, got non-stop worldwide sympathetic media coverage. Within 3 days, Daniel Viflic was killed in a school bus that was hit by a Hamas anti-tank missile. Far more people know of Arrigoni than Viflic. The reason is that Viflic's death received barely any media coverage outside Israel (the Guardian never reported it while the NYT made a passing reference to it in an article about the Fogel family murderers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/world/middleeast/18palestinian.html

Bear in mind, no other nation has as many foreign journalists per capita than Israel, and rather than report on Viflic they felt it was a better idea to beatify a bigoted Hamas cheerleader like Arrigoni.

The outside world could be forgiven for not knowing what Israelis are facing.

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Response to HiPointDem (Original post)

Fri May 11, 2012, 04:13 PM

4. I'll be damned. Never would have expected it from THAT guy.

shows how horribly far to the right the discourse has gone in that country(and no...that CAN'T be put down solely to "fear", because most Israelis realize that their country has almost all the power in the I/P dispute and in the region.

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