Kerry condemns Jerusalem attack, Palestinian incitement

[King_David]

US secretary of state calls Netanyahu to offer condolences, blames Palestinian ‘days of rage’ ; UN official calls terror attack abhorrent

US Secretary of State John Kerry condemned a Jerusalem terror attack that left four people dead Tuesday morning, calling on Palestinian leaders to halt incitement

Kerry telephoned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to offer condolences following the gruesome killing spree by Palestinian assailants at a Jerusalem synagogue, while other world leaders also expressed horror at the attack.

Kerry, in London for talks on Iran and the Middle East, called the assault an “act of pure terror and senseless brutality” and called on the Palestinian leadership to condemn it “in the most powerful terms.”

“Innocent people who had come to worship died in the sanctuary of a synagogue,” Kerry said, his voice quavering. “They were hatcheted, hacked and murdered in that holy place in an act of pure terror and senseless brutality and murder. I call on Palestinians at every single level of leadership to condemn this in the most powerful terms. This violence has no place anywhere, particularly after the discussion that we just had the other day in Amman.”

Police said two attackers from East Jerusalem entered the synagogue in the Har Nof neighborhood shortly after 7 a.m. and began attacking worshipers at morning prayers with a gun, a meat cleaver, and an ax. Both terrorists were killed by police.

Kerry blamed the attack on Palestinian calls for “days of rage” and said Palestinian leaders must take serious steps to refrain from such incitement.



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1. ..

[Scootaloo]

2. Well, Kerry's about as clueless as can be on issues pertaining to the middle east

As can be seen by his hand in the slaughter of well over a hundred thousand Iraqis, His buddy-buddy relationship with Fateh al-Sisi, and his attempt to march us to war with Syria last year.

Maybe Settlers need to refrain from lynching bus drivers, burning mosques, incinerating children, shooting at schools, too, mr. Kerry? Maybe the government of israel should stop inciting them to do so... and providing them armed military backup when they do? 'Cause this isn't happening in a vacuum y'know.

[oberliner]

3. "Maybe Settlers need to refrain from lynching bus drivers"

What settlers are lynching bus drivers?

[King_David]

4. Maybe referring to this ?

Relatives of the attackers, Odai Abed Abu Jamal, 22, and Ghassan Muhammad Abu Jamal, 32, said the cousins were motivated by what they saw as threats of a Jewish takeover of Al Aqsa and the death of a Palestinian bus driver in Jerusalem. The driver, Yousef al-Ramouni, was found hanged in his bus Sunday; the Israeli authorities say he committed suicide, but his family insists that he was lynched by Jews.

Chen Kugel, head of Israel’s forensic institute, said Tuesday that the autopsy found only evidence consistent with suicide, and that a Palestinian pathologist who attended concurred. But Ma’an, an independent Palestinian news agency, reported that the Palestinian doctor questioned the conclusion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world/middleeast/killings-in-jerusalem-synagogue-complex.html?_r=0

[oberliner]

5. Even if he was "lynched by Jews" as the family claims, that doesn't mean it was a settler

Unless settler was being used just to mean Jewish Israeli.

[King_David]

6. Even if he was "lynched" how would they even know a Jew was guilty

Hamas has been bombing Fatah operatives all along .

[oberliner]

7. And yet we already have people typing "settlers lynching bus drivers"

As if that is just an established fact.

[Israeli]

8. Probably a good time to define " settlers " then oberliner....

Would you agree that Moshe Levinger is a good place to start ?

Ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Levinger

Meet Miriam Levinger, U.S. citizen from the Bronx, New York... the mother of the Israeli colonial settlers in the 'West Bank'..........

[oberliner]

9. People who live in settlements

That would be my definition.

However, I am not sure that it is important to define settlers at this point since there is no evidence of any settler involved in lynching a bus driver.

[Israeli]

10. So everyone that lives in settlements are as ....

....fucked up as Miriam Levinger is oberliner ....really ?

All those that live in settlements are religious Right wing messianic madmen ....like Moshe Levinger ???

Its not where you live oberliner....its the ideology that you follow ....and the politics that go along hand in hand with that ideology .... for example ...Naftali Bennett....he lives in Ra'anana.

[oberliner]

35. No

Everyone who lives in a settlement is a settler.

[Israeli]

43. Then define settlements oberliner ....

....where do they start .....where do they end ?

[Scootaloo]

11. Just as many of your kind were "sure" Mohammed Abu Khdier was an "honor killing"?

Or how others are absolutely certain Mohammed al-Dura is still alive? Or that Nadim Nuwwara and Mohammad Mahmoud Odeh Salameh's deaths are similarly faked.

Meanwhile, in Kiryat arba:

Surely he's just teaching the boy scouts how to tie a proper slip knot.

[Shaktimaan]

12. Sorry.

What's the connection?

You're chastizing Anti palestinian accusations that were made without evidence, to support of your own accusation being made without evidence?

And who are "of oberlin's kind?" People who disagree with you?

[Scootaloo]

13. Well, for it to have been a suicide...

We have to assume that Hasan Yousef Rammouni drove his bus out to Givat Shaul, where he proceeded to beat the shit out of himself, before using his own bowtie to strangle himself to death, making sure to sit down long enough after his heart stopped for blood to pool in his buttocks, then got back up and used his own bow tie to hang himself from the back stairwell of the bus. Which is going to be a hell of a task, hauling himself up like that - especially for a dead man with pummeled back muscles. And he did it without even dislocating one vertebrae. What a champ.

And of course, the Jerusalem police just dumped the case off their desks in a matter of hours, and the same smiling faces that told us Khdier's incineration was "an honor killing" and that the Beitunia killings never happened, appeared to affirm that oh, it was a suicide.

Now, I suppose I will stand corrected by Oberliner - no way to tell if the killing was perpetrated by settlers in specific. But this was a killing. Someone killed Hasan Rammouni, and I very much doubt it was the man himself.

So. I know that here in King county, our buses have surveillance. I can't imagine egged buses in Jerusalem don't. Do these surveillance systems work while the bus is off/ Does the driver have to switch them off? How do they work? Any odds there might actually be video of what happened?

And the core point of my initial post in the thread remains untouched by any of you - why only condemnation towards Palestinians? Unless kerry is wholly embracing and cheering Jewish violence and incitement against Palestinians, there's no good reason to ignore it while condemning the inverse.

[Shaktimaan]

15. Well...

Correct me if I'm wrong but there probably hasn't been the same condemnation of Israeli terrorism against Palestinians because there hasn't really been this kind of terrorism perpetrated by Israelis against Palestinians. When there has been we have seen this same condemnation, both from inside as well as outside Israel. And the perpetrators were arrested in those cases.

[Scootaloo]

17. "This kind of terrorism" being what, exactly?

As opposed to some other kinds of terrorism, that is

[Shaktimaan]

19. The kind...

Where someone goes to a place of worship and begins shooting and cutting people up until they're killed themselves. For an example on the Israeli side see Baruch Goldstein or Goldberg, whatever. The outcry following that event was anything but subdued.

[Scootaloo]

20. Oh, okay

So just killing them in the street, at home, in their orchards, on the bus, that doesn't count. Good thing you limited it like that, else Israelis might be terrorists sometimes. Though with the mosque burnings going on, you might want to narrow it down to "worshiping in a synagogue" in order to keep that clean record.

[Shaktimaan]

22. Okay.

So settlers have been killing Palestinians in their homes, orchards on the busses and in the streets? What incidents are you referencing exactly?

Though with the mosque burnings going on, you might want to narrow it down to "worshiping in a synagogue" in order to keep that clean record.

Why, has anyone been killed in those arsons? Not that I'm making light of those mosque burnings, but we're discussing acts of deliberate mass murder. You're trying to equate the destruction of property with the killing of human beings. They are hardly in the same category.

[Scootaloo]

23. I'm saying someone could very well be killed in such burnings

So, you might want to pre-emptively write such incidents out of the "terrorism" bracket, so that your hilltop heroes will still be innocent of all wrongdoing by your argument.

[Shaktimaan]

24. My hilltop heroes?

someone could very well have been killed, you're right. But it kind of seems that if killing Palestinians was the aim then they would have actually killed Palestinians.

You really don't differentiate between these acts, do you?

[Scootaloo]

26. I'm simply giving you advice

if you're going to narrow "terrorism" down so far, you're going to want to close that loophole you left where killing people in a mosque is terrorism. Because it's bound to happen eventually, and you don't want to catch yourself in a position where you'll have to call the people who did it terrorists.

[Shaktimaan]

31. Oh I get it.

Your problem is that I've supposedly narrowed terrorism down to a tailored definition that fits my needs. That's not what happened. You kept expanding it to fit your own needs. With each passing post, you kept moving goalposts, after you failed to find enough supporting evidence.

First it was, "why doesn't anyone complain when Israel does the same as these Palestinians?"

Then, "oh so it's ok if you kill them in the orchards and streets and busses and etc." (but turns out there's little of that occurring either.)

Then it became arson and vandalism, on the grounds that someone COULD get hurt. (And they could. You're right! They weren't though.)

Yes, mosque burning is atrocious. Especially given the political implications of Israel's utter failure to capture the arsonists. That said, it's not the same thing as massacring innocent people. It's not even remotely close.

I have no problem identifying terrorism when it occurs. I already gave you an example of a Jewish attack that rivaled this one. You're the one stuck arguing the moral equivalency of mass murder versus property destruction. (Because someone MIGHT have been unintentionally hurt according to you.)

Yet you still wonder why there's a disparity in condemnation and attention. It's because you rarely see settlers committing acts like this. But when they do, there's no media disparity.

So, now you know!

[Scootaloo]

36. No, you still don't get it

That's okay; even if you did "get it" I certainly wouldn't expect you to admit to it.

My complaint was that only Palestinians are getting condemned. only Abbas is getting Kerry's finger in his face. This has the effect of granting total legitimacy to the violence from Israelis and incitement from their leaders. The violence absolutely is coming from both sides, and it needs condemnation regardless of its source.

You of course took offense to the notion of ever condemning Israeli violence, and gave me the jaw-dropping argument that, as violence against Palestinians tend to not kill four Jews in a synagogue, it is of no note. There's no need to condemn violence that only hurts Arabs, outside of synagogues apparently.

So what if it's constant? They're just Arabs.
So what if it targets civilians? They're just Arabs.
So what if it's incited by the Israeli government? They're just Arabs.
So what if it's perpetrated with soldiers backing it? They're just arabs.

I know why there's a disparity, Shaktimaan. And it has squat-all to do with the circumstances of where the killings happened, and everything to do with who was killed.

[Shaktimaan]

41. Awesome

Thank you. I realize that whenever you start just making crazy shit up it's just your way of admitting that you just got your ass handed to you. It's like you don't think anyone will notice when you replace my argument with some crazed babbling if you just pretend really hard.

[Shaktimaan]

32. Soooo

You think it's terrorism whenever someone MIGHT have been hurt?

Is that for everyone or just wrt Israel?

[Shaktimaan]

25. Glad to see you're so positive as to what happened.

I'm sure you have a very reputable source as well.

[oberliner]

34. No idea what "my kind" means

And I have never made any comment of the nature you describe.

[Scootaloo]

38. I read your comment as yet more denialism, Oberliner

[oberliner]

44. I do not think that is a fair reading

In any case, here's hoping for an end to such violence.

[Shaktimaan]

14. When did that happen?

Israel incited lynchings and incineration of children, providing military backup to them?

When?

Last I heard we don't even know if the hanging was a murder, let alone who did it. Yet you're aware that it was done by settlers, incited by Israel's government, and backed up by the IDF to boot.

[Scootaloo]

16. i said the Israeli military provides backup for violence

For instance, settlers attacked Burin high school. When the IDF intervened... they did so by firing steel bullets and gas at the Palestinaisn trying to keep the settlers away from the school. Here we see IDF soldiers standing by as settlers fire guns at Palestinians. The soldiers participating in Breaking the Silence have no shortage of stories of doing similar things - standing by to protect settlers as those settlers attacked Palestinians.

I did not say the IDF had a hand in the burning of Mohammed Abu Khdier - though they did beat the living shit out of his cousin and the police have been harassing his family since the incident. These are the same police who dumped their investigation of the bus lunching in under five hours.

And yes. All of it is incited by the Israeli government. These people know they will not be investigated, much less prosecuted. they are encouraged to "take every hilltop." They are fed a constant diet of how the Palestinians have no rights, have no legitimacy, and are all terrorists. Khdier's murder was brought on by the sham manhunt Netanyahu called to find three kidnapped boys he knew were dead - and the suspects of which had already been captured. The Israeli government is using its civilians to wage war against Palestinians, just as it has accused Arafat of doing in 2001.

[Jefferson23]

18. The Israeli government has such an outstanding track record of doing nothing in response:

Settler violence: Lack of accountability

As the occupying force, Israel must protect the Palestinians in the West Bank. However, the Israeli authorities neglect to fulfill this responsibility and do not do enough to prevent Israeli civilians from attacking Palestinians, their property and their lands. The undeclared policy of the Israeli authorities in response to these attacks is lenient and conciliatory. Perpetrators are rarely tried, and many cases are not investigated at all or are closed with no operative conclusions.

Background on violence by settlers:

http://www.btselem.org/topic/settler_violence

[Shaktimaan]

21. Interesting.

When the IDF intervened... they did so by firing steel bullets and gas at the Palestinaisn trying to keep the settlers away from the school.

You realize that your interpretation isn't supported by your link at all. Usually when ma'an's stories have such murky details it indicates that the reality is somewhat different than what was reported as well.

I'm interested in what "attacking the school" means. How was the school attacked? Do you actually know what happened?

From this report it seems like settlers attacked the school, instigating a small riot amongst the locals, who then clashed with the army, who used tear gas to break it up. I'd love to see some actual details though.

[Scootaloo]

27. The picture in the article is from the scene

You see two settlers, armed with automatic weapons. I'm sure that they had only the best of intentions when they were approaching the school. Armed and loaded. Maybe your hilltop heroes were going to volunteer to defend the school from... uh... er... well never mind who they'd be protecting it from, I'm sure these people and their machine guns coming up on a Palestinian school had only the most saintly of motives.

[Shaktimaan]

29. Is it?

What makes you think that photo is from the scene?

I'm not sure what you're implying. Did settlers shoot someone? Or the school?

I'm not defending agro settler actions here; it just seems like you haven't really shown me anything that describes how settlers attacked the school or anything. This is an undated photo of what appears to be people arguing.

If armed settlers were going to a palestinian school to massacre kids then why didn't they shoot any of the other Palestinians? Or any of the kids? Or anyone?

[Scootaloo]

28. And here's another one...

A group of about 50 — mostly masked — settlers from Yitzhar attacked Palestinians in the West Bank village Urif on Tuesday night under the protection and escort of IDF soldiers, Israeli human rights NGO Yesh Din reported.

Video footage of the incident, which took place just hours after the horrific terror attack on a Jerusalem synagogue, clearly shows IDF soldiers not only doing nothing to stop the assault on Palestinians, but in fact guarding the settlers as they throw stones.

Some of the soldiers appear to fire crowd-dispersal weapons at young Palestinians who gathered on the edge of the village. A 13-year-old student from the village school was lightly wounded by a stone thrown at his head, according to Yesh Din.

(...)

Yesh Din, which has been monitoring the recently established Nationalistic Crimes Unit, an Israeli police unit meant to deal specifically with settler violence against Palestinians, found that in the two years since the unit’s establishment, the number of investigations that led to indictments has actually gone down. Since 2005, a mere 7.4 percent of investigation files led to indictments of Israeli civilians suspected of attacking Palestinians and their property.

http://972mag.com/watch-soldiers-protect-settlers-attacking-west-bank-village/99018/

[Shaktimaan]

30. Seriously?

That's four or five asshole kids throwing stones. They're awful. But it's not exactly a mass killing.

So is this the school attack you were describing before?

[Scootaloo]

37. Four or five grown men backed by soldiers who point hteir guns at the Palestinians being pelted

I dunno where you're getting the mass killing stuff from, Shaktimaan. I said the Israeli military provides backup for settler violence. You, in your typical way, decided to pretend you were born yesterday and had no clue about anything going on anywhere. So. I offered you a post of links.

As one expects of you by now, you ignored all of them except one you want to pretend is a fairy tale. More "Pallywood" I suppose. I provided more. and you try so very hard to act confused, all while justifying the attack you were shown. A few "asshole kids" that happen to clearly be grown men backed up by the Israeli Defense Forces.

[Shaktimaan]

40. Actually. You said

Maybe Settlers need to refrain from lynching bus drivers, burning mosques, incinerating children, shooting at schools, too, mr. Kerry? Maybe the government of israel should stop inciting them to do so... and providing them armed military backup when they do? 'Cause this isn't happening in a vacuum y'know.

The reality is that there's no evidence settlers are lynching anyone or shooting up schools. Throwing stones is significantly less serious than lynching people.

As far as justifying violence goes, your post is the one arguing that blame for the recent massacre rests with the settlers, and the Israeli government. Nothing I said could be misconstrued as a justification for settler violence. I was merely pointing out that your accusations are untrue.

The monsters who burned the palestinian child are being prosecuted. The army isn't backing up school shootings, lynchings or arson. The GoI hasn't been encouraging anyone to do any of those things.

[Israeli]

33. I hope you are not trying to deny the attacks that took place ....

Maybe you missed my posts here :
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113487774#post3

I was listening to the radio as it was ongoing :

Breaking news ....

Clashes between 200 Palestinians and 50 settlers near Yitzhar in West Bank.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4593302,00.html

Intifada number three ....silent no longer .


Further details as you requested :

Settler violence follows Jerusalem attack

A wave of settler attacks against Palestinians and their property commenced following Tuesday morning's attack in a Jerusalem synagogue, in which five Israelis were killed.

Nablus

Dozens of settlers blocked and closed the main road between Nablus and Ramallah on Tuesday afternoon. Others gathered on the road near the Nablus-area village of Allabun, from where they stoned passing cars, damaging windshields and windows of several. This road was then also closed for approximately one hour by the settlers.

Orif village

At least six Palestinians were injured by rubber-coated steel bullets Tuesday afternoon in confrontations with Israeli settlers and soldiers in the Orif village, south of Nablus. Clashes broke out when armed settlers attempted to enter the village's secondary school. Local residents gathered to repel the attack, and soldiers who arrived on the scene fired rubber-coated steel bullets and tear gas at them.

Hawarah village

From the early morning hours of Wednesday dozens of settlers attacked the Nablus-area village of Hawarah, stoning homes and breaking numerous windows. Settlers further blocked the village's sole entrance. Soldiers who arrived on the scene shot rubber-coated steel bullets and tear gas, although no injuries were reported. In the morning soldiers asked local residents to close shops for several hours, fearing the settlers would return.

Borin village

Just like in Hawarah, settlers attacked the Nablus-area village of Borin in the early morning offices, breaking windows and clashing with local residents. Israel forces in the area did nothing to halt the settler violence.

Nablus-Ramallah road

Dozens of settlers blocked several points on the main road running from the northern West Bank to the city of Ramallah, preventing hundreds of residents from travelling to their jobs and studies.

Ramallah

Settlers shot 16-year-old Ibrahim Mahmoud in the Ramallah-area village of Beitin on Tuesday afternoon. He was taken to Ramallah's Palestine Medical Complex with serious head injuries and placed in the intensive care unit.

Dozens of settlers, many of whom were armed, attacked Palestinian homes in the Sateh Marhaba area of al Bireh. Israeli soldiers subsequently arrived and shot rubber-coated steel bullets and tear gas canisters, chasing Palestinian youths until the nearby al Am'are refugee camp, where additional clashes took place.

Hebron

Israeli settlers on Tuesday attacked passing Palestinian vehicles with stones near the town of Tarqumia, west of Hebron, according to security sources.

Witnesses said dozens of Israeli settlers, backed by an Israeli army force, broke into a highway connecting the nearby town of Idna with the city of Hebron, blocking the road and pelting Palestinian vehicles with stones, causing financial damages.

No injuries were reported.

http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/news/192-settler-violence-follows-jerusalem-attack

Plus this :
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/news/194-see-settlers-attack-palestinians-as-soldiers-watch

Source not good enough for you ???

[Shaktimaan]

39. Deny it?

My point was that there were no details or any reports from any news organizations but ma'an, which is hardly trustworthy. I have no idea what happened, I was asking if anyone saw anything that reported actual details. When ma'an says settlers "attacked" a school but neglect to explain what that entails I'm suspicious. Especially because that seems like the kind of thing that would normally garner attention.

For the record, your ynet link said nothing about a school attack, and your other source is a partisan political organization, not an objective news outlet. Of course it isn't a trustworthy source.

You're saying that armed settlers attacked a school, but no ones reporting it? Even ma'an didn't say that... Why would ma'an neglect to mention that?

There was a clash between settlers, Palestinians and the army busted it up, shooting 6 Palestinians with rubber bullets. That's been widely reported. The school thing? I have no idea but it sounds wonky to me.

[Israeli]

42. But of course Shaktimaan....

If you can ignore Shulamit Aloni how easy is it to ignore Yesh Din ( http://www.yesh-din.org/ )
and/or the AIC .

Add to that the AIC report was by Ahmad Jaradat ...." Of course it isn't a trustworthy source. "

Now ask yourself something .....if I am hearing on the radio about settler attacks near Yitzhar
and Ynet puts it up as breaking news but does not follow up on the story ....why ????
Two words Shaktimaan......military censorship .

BTW ....I kicked this thread up for you yesterday :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113486998

Would you care to respond ????

[Shaktimaan]

45. Ahmad jaradat?

Who's he?

Regarding yesh din, there's not a real comparison. YD didn't report anything on this, did they? I'm not sure why you're bringing them up.

Wrt military censorship I can't really say anything one way or the other. It seems like speculation on your part. Nor does it offer evidence of what you think occurred. Since I've raised this issue I've seen all manner of "evidence", none of which are in any sense consistent with one another.

[Israeli]

47. Nobody you or any of you would pay any attention to Shaktimaan...

...he is just a Palestinian that lives in the area and reports on what he sees .

" Regarding yesh din, there's not a real comparison. YD didn't report anything on this, did they? I'm not sure why you're bringing them up. "

Last link post # 33 .....is why I brought them up .

No they have not reported on what Ahmad Jaradat saw ....not yet ....because there is a gag order on what happened .....but the truth always comes out ...eventually .

[King_David]

51. " ...he is just a Palestinian that lives in the area "

Like Khaled Abu Toameh ?

[King_David]

46. Your Yesh Din link goes to their home page.

Nothing on this particular topic.

Want to re-link?

[Israeli]

48. Nope .....

.....want to read this :

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.586479

PS ....no paywall

[King_David]

49. Yep I read it in April. nt

[Israeli]

50. Now I do KD ....

....for you and Shaktimaan :

First a video of the Urif school clash between Israeli settlers/military and Palestinian youth :

Second a report by Yesh Din with three videos :

On tuesday, 18/11/2014, a few hours after the shocking terror attack in Jerusalem, a group of some fifty Israelis left the settlement of Yitzhar, walking to the edge of the Palestinian village of Urif. The Israeli civilians, most of whom were masked, attacked the residents of the village with stones, iron bars, and burning tires. Soldiers who arrived on the scene several minutes after the incident began did nothing to stop or detain the Israeli civilians, and effectively guarded them as they continued their attack. The soldiers fired crowd-dispersal means at young Palestinians who gathered on the edge of the village. A 13-year-old student from the village school was lightly injured in the incident: the boy was struck on the head by a stone and received medical treatment at Rafidiya Hospital in Nablus.

Yesh Din emphasizes that IDF soldiers bear an obligation under international law, and in accordance with Israeli Supreme Court rulings, to protect Palestinian residents against violence. IDF soldiers are fully empowered to detain suspects, including Israeli suspects, pending the arrival of the police. However, Yesh Din has documented the repeated failure of IDF forces to meet this obligation. The incident documented here is merely the latest of its kind to be brought to our attention.

Attorney Emily Schaeffer Omer-Man, Legal Advisor to Yesh Din’s Criminal Accountability of Israeli Security Forces project, comments on the video footage: “Once again we discover IDF soldiers failing to meet their obligation to protect Palestinians subjected to vicious attacks by settlers in their own backyards. The disturbing video footage demands vigorous investigation and the immediate prosecution of the soldiers involved. An examination must also be carried out of whether the soldiers' commanders bear liability for the conduct of their subordinates.”

Watch the videos which are doceumenting masked Israelis accompnied by soldiers attack Palestininan village of Urif
Video 1
Video 2
Video 3
Photograph | Yesh Din

Source : http://www.yesh-din.org/hottopview.asp?postid=29

[King_David]

52. I agree ,

"n examination must also be carried out of whether the soldiers' commanders bear liability for the conduct of their subordinates.”

[Israeli]

53. not sure what you are agreeing to KD ....

....or what you are disagreeing with ???