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Related: About this forumBDS Success: Israeli Firm Sodastream Leaves Palestinian West Bank after Boycott
The Israeli Occupation institutions in the Palestinian West Bank are increasingly being boycotted, especially in Europe (Oxfam is based in Britain). Although it is clearly illegal for an Occupying Power to move its population into occupied territory (Geneva Convention of 1949), far right wing Israeli governments have flooded this Palestinian territory with hundreds of thousands of illegal squatters, who have usurped Palestinian property, confined Palestinians to Bantustans, and imposed onerous checkpoints on them. The Jewish supremacist squatter settlements are Jewish-only and no Palestinian can live in them. The militant squatters are often heavily armed and are increasingly attacking Palestinians and their mosques and other institutions, as well as waging economic warfare on them by cutting down their olive trees.
The European Union has decided to use its economic clout to push back against the clear Israeli determination to annex the whole West Bank while keeping its indigenous Palestinian population stateless and without the rights of citizenship.
The European Union has insisted that Israeli institutions and companies based in the Palestinian West Bank be excluded from any Israeli participation in a program of the European Union. (The EU treats Israel like a member, offering it many perquisites, opportunities for technology interchange, and access to EU markets; Brussels is saying, however, that none of that largesse can go to Israelis in the Occupied Weat Bank.)
About a third of Israels trade is with Europe (the US and China are its biggest trading partners, and Turkey comes after the EU). The EU imports $300 million a year from the settlements, but is clearly moving toward cutting that trade off
http://www.juancole.com/2014/10/sodastream-palestinian-boycott.html
Drip, drip, drip. Soon it will be a flood.
The Boycott, Divestment and Sanction movement is getting bigger everyday.
End Israeli apartheid.
Boycott, Divest, Sanction.
http://www.bdsmovement.net/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I would imagine most of them would have preferred for the factory not to have been relocated to inside Israel.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)...they are going to be replaced by Bedouins.
Nope again ....
Palestinian workers are paid far less than their Israeli counterparts and SodaStream recently fired 60 Palestinians following a dispute over food for the breaking of the Ramadan fast. Workers have previously said they are treated like slaves.
Palestinians are forced to work inside settlements in sub-standard conditions because of Israels deliberate destruction of the Palestinian economy. Theres an urgent need for the creation of decent and dignified jobs within the Palestinian economy.
All of the main Palestinian trade unions have called for boycott and are members of the Palestinian BDS National Committee, the civil society coalition that leads the BDS movement and helped to initiate the campaign against SodaStream.
See : http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/activism/bds/120-bds-holds-corporation-accountable-sodastream
oberliner
(58,724 posts)We remain committed to the family of our employees and will do everything in our power to enable continuity of employment for all of them, including our Palestinian employees, Hurwitz said by e-mail.
They have stated that they will facilitate the acquisition of Israeli work permits for all of the Palestinian employees impacted by the move so that they can continue to work in the plant that will now be sixty miles away.
"Hell yeah, I'm happy. We're like family. We have fun,'' said Mohammed Yousef, 22, from the Palestinian village of Jaba. "We are Jews and Muslims here. We are here peacefully. We have no problems. Everyone is complaining about settlements here and everywhere, but SodaStream is different.''
The workers here say they take home about $1,200 monthlyanywhere from double to triple common wages in the territories. The company also provides pensions and some medical insurance.
"I talk a lot to friends abroad. They say, 'You are an Arab. How can you work there?'" he said. "Nobody knows there are 1,000 people and their lives will be turned upside down by the (boycott). You are killing them, so stop it.''
Israeli
(4,148 posts)Israeli
(4,148 posts)Carbonated drink firm to build plant in South after receiving grant from government; initiative likely to reduce unemployment among Bedouins
News1 reported that local leaders praised the initiative for the desperately-needed jobs it would create and its predicted contribution to the regions development.
It is a good solution which could considerably reduce unemployment in the city of Rahat, particularly among Bedouin women, the website quoted Rahat Mayor Faiz Abu Sahiban as saying.
BTW ...." They have stated that they will facilitate the acquisition of Israeli work permits for all of the Palestinian employees impacted by the move so that they can continue to work in the plant that will now be sixty miles away."
Will they be providing transport by Palestinian only buses ?????
shira
(30,109 posts)If the goal of boycotts is to end the occupation, then what about peace?
Imagine Israel pulls out of the W.Bank entirely by next year and announces it. What makes you think there will be peace as a result?
Seems you want an end to occupation no matter the result.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)...what makes you think that any of us give a damn what a Right wing American like yourself thinks about us ??
ONE WEEK
Anti-Supreme Court law.
Segregated buses.
Massive settlement construction.
Police violence in Jerusalem.
Confrontation with the US.
Netanyahu did it all
In just one week.
Tomorrow, Sat. at 7.30 pm, we will join the gathering of Israeli peace-seekers at the Memorial Rally at Rabin Square, Tel Aviv.
Published in Haaretz October 31, 2014
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/weekly_ad/1414715047/
shira
(30,109 posts)How does ending the occupation result in peace?
You used to be for peace based on a negotiated settlement. You even said you blame Abbas for rejecting Olmert's offer. Olmert's offer was better than an end to occupation and settlements, and Abbas rejected that. So what makes you think ending occupation will result in peace when Abbas couldn't even accept a deal that was better than an end to occupation?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)4now
(1,596 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or at least, maybe played a role?
4now
(1,596 posts)Are their stock prices crashing?
Sodastream is marketing itself as a healthy alternative to soda pop.
From the posted article.
"Earlier this year, SodaStream (SODA) hired Scarlett Johansson to tell us why making your own soda at home is better for your health and better for the world. Sorry, Coke and Pepsi, she cooed.
Now SodaStream looks like the sorry one. The companys revenue fell 12.9 percent in the third quarter, with revenue in the Americas tumbling by 41 percent, according to results reported on Wednesday. The stock has been in free fall for months"
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I would point out that Sodastream's stock dipped from 75 in July of 2011 to 28 in November of that same year. By July of 2013 it was back up to 72. Only to now find it's price down near 20. Much more volatile than giant companies like Coke and Pepsi.
I would think the number of people in the US who would buy this product but do not because of the BDS movement is pretty small.
I'm not even sure what other companies exist in that market - i.e. home carbonated water machines.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)As far as I can tell they take a hit on the machine but make it back in consumables.
The syrups are just sugar in a bottle and easily changed out for cordial or whatever. The co2 bottles can be changed out for something like keg king.
To be honest, I don't think that you get decent levels of carbonation from a soda stream anyway. I use a beer keg a regulator and co2 to make soda water and even I have to apply pressure and wiggle the keg around for 10 mins to get decent fizz. I can't see Scarlett farting about on her hands and knees trying to carbonate her own water. Maybe she's not a good fit for the brand.
Probably a lot of people use these things once or twice and then forget about them.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I don't own one myself so I can't speak to how well they work.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)this is the deluxe version
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Did a little research and found that the folks at Mondoweiss have compiled a list of SodaStream alternatives:
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/02/occupation-alternatives-sodastream
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and you believe on line reviews? if so I have a bridge for sale
Israeli
(4,148 posts)....maybe not ....
We are very disappointed in our recent performance, said Daniel Birnbaum, Chief Executive Officer of SodaStream. Our U.S. business underperformed due to lower than expected demand for our soda makers and flavors which was the primary driver of the overall shortfall in the third quarter. While we were successful over the last few years in establishing a solid base of repeat users in the U.S., we have not succeeded in attracting new consumers to our home carbonation system at the rate we believe should be achieved. The third quarter results are a clear indication that we must alter our course and improve our execution across the board. We have already begun a strategic shift of the SodaStream brand towards health & wellness, primarily in the U.S., where we believe this message will resonate more strongly with consumers .
Soros Fund Management, the family office of the billionaire investor George Soros, also sold its stake in SodaStream this past August.
Maybe's continued at ...
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/activism/bds/92-macy-s-stops-stocking-sodastream
Mosby
(16,304 posts)At least according to the article your chart links to. I agree with the guy who said they can't make coke or Pepsi soda, that's very true, I think they should focus on flavored seltzer water, a segment that is growing rapidly.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)why is this a good thing? Soda Stream will make a shit ton of money regardless.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)Why ?.....
Putting an end to the occupation,
Accepting the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent and sovereign State of Palestine in all the territories occupied by Israel in 1967,
Reinstating the pre-1967 "Green Line" as the border between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine (with possible minor exchanges of territories agreed between the parties); the border will be open for the free movement of people and goods, subject to mutual agreement.
Establishing Jerusalem as the capital of the two states, with East Jerusalem (including the Haram al-Sharif) serving as the capital of Palestine and West Jerusalem (including the Western Wall) serving as the capital of Israel. The city is to be united on the physical and municipal level, based on mutual agreement.
Recognizing in principle the Right of Return of the Palestinian refugees, allowing each refugee to choose freely between compensation and repatriation to Palestine and Israel, and fixing by mutual agreement the number of refugees who will be able to return to Israel in annual quotas, without undermining the foundations of Israel.
Safeguarding the security of both Israel and Palestine by mutual agreement and guarantees.
Striving for overall peace between Israel and all Arab countries and the creation of a regional union.
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/about/general_info/
hack89
(39,171 posts)Let's remember why the security wall went up in the first place. When the occupation ends the Palestinians will be isolated. They have already been replaced in the Israeli economy for the most part by foreign guest workers.
shira
(30,109 posts)Israeli
(4,148 posts)As a rule, Palestinians working for Israelis in the West Bank hate the settlements and the occupation. But they have to feed their families, so they swallow their pride.
http://972mag.com/the-cynical-exploitation-of-palestinian-workers-in-scarlett-johanssonsodastream-affair/86698/
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)But I prefer just club soda.
Mosby
(16,304 posts)We like the arrowhead seltzer water my favorite is black cherry.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I guess you'll have to take up some other hobby to get a puerile rise out of people. Maybe baby seal clubbing or something.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Childish, silly and and trivial.
King_David
(14,851 posts)There ain't no drip drip drip as far as real investment in Israel goes.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)It feels so good to be supporting Israel. My husband and I both became fascinated with Israel in college during our Middle Eastern studies.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The SodaStream spokeswoman, Nirit Hurwitz, said that the company had received a $20 million grant from the Israeli government to build the Lehavim plant, and that it expected the consolidation to result in savings of 2 percent across our entire cost base.
Our costs have increased and our profitability has eroded as annual revenue has quintupled to $500 million since 2007, Ms. Hurwitz said in an email. Time has now come to make the change to a single state-of-the-art facility that will be our flagship site globally.
I could leave there tomorrow, for me it would be easier, but what about the employees? he asked in an interview then. I feel like I have a responsibility there. Those who oppose the factory are using SodaStream and manipulating our Palestinian workers in order to demonize the state of Israel, and I wont let them.
On Wednesday, Mr. Birnbaum said the company was asking the Israeli government for permits so that the Palestinians could work at the site in Lehavim. We are committed to doing everything in our power to enable continuity of employment to our family of employees, he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/world/middleeast/sodastream-to-close-factory-in-west-bank.html
Israeli
(4,148 posts)http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/activism/bds/20-bds-victory-uefa-says-no-to-jerusalem-tournament-bid
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/activism/bds/107-union-of-progressive-jews-boycotts-jewish-festival
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/activism/bds/111-exeter-u-votes-to-boycott-settlement-products
http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/activism/bds/124-a-cautious-bds-victory
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You'll always be able to read exactly the articles you want to read.
Makes life a lot simpler I guess.
Israeli
(4,148 posts)I'm Gush Shalom oberliner......we were the first to boycott the settlements .
Gush Shalom FAQs on the Boycott of Settlement Goods
http://www.sadaka.ie/Files/Gush_Shalom_FAQs.pdf
More .....
Boycott goes on trial in Israel's High Court
Civil rights organizations argue the anti-boycott law has created a chilling effect, stifling debate on one of the most divisive issues facing Israeli society. If thats the case, the state counters, then how has BDS grown so much in recent years?
The civil society groups argued that even if the law is nearly impossible to enforce, its very existence has a chilling effect, leading to self-censorship and stifling of a necessary and legitimate political debate about Israeli policy, and that it is not an attack on Israel itself. They claimed that the law effectively blocks a legitimate form of non-violent protest against the policies of the state. Peace organization Gush Shalom, for example, was forced to remove from its website a list of products and companies originating from the West Bank; its lawyers claimed that the law thus alters and hinders prior activity of the organization.
Source : http://972mag.com/boycott-goes-on-trial-in-israels-high-court/87263/
King_David
(14,851 posts)want a one party state.
And as has been illustrated often have a hate on for ALL Jews including us in the Golah.