Israel/Palestine
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On the first full day of a truce with Hamas, the IDF redeployed behind the Israeli border, and senior army officers began sharing their war stories.
The accounts all point to a cruel and cynical enemy that is willing to use kindergartens, schools and hospitals as rocket bases and tunnel covers, and which actively seeks to get Gazan civilians killed and injured.
One source on Tuesday spoke of how the army uncovered the Gazan shaft of a cross-border tunnel. It surfaced in a hothouse located right next to a Palestinian kindergarten. It led directly to Kibbutz Netiv Haasara, where Hamas gunmen planned to massacre civilians.
Other units found rocket launch tripods in school playgrounds.
At the entrance to Beit Hanun, there were more homes with booby-traps than not, said another army officer.
Much of the destruction of homes in Gaza was because of Hamass booby traps.
A brigade commander saw seven buildings utterly destroyed, when IDF shells set off bombs planted by Hamas inside them. You see the buildings jump up and collapse, and you know a shell cant do that to a multi-story building, the source said.
In recent days, the IDF came under increased Hamas mortar fire, and when it traced the origin of the attacks, it found that they came from kindergartens and playgrounds in Gaza.
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Analysis-Hamas-A-cruel-and-cynical-enemy-370193
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)A source? No names, no real facts. It's ridiculous to think that Americans will still buy this propaganda. You might still be able to sell articles like that to the Israeli people, but I don't think it will sway anyone here.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)sabbat hunter
(6,828 posts)than some of the stuff posted from 972 or mondoweiss.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Mondoweiss much less credible .
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)The casualty figures essentially come from Hamas... the number of rockets comes from the IDF... etc.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Blames anybody else but themselves.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)They've worked so hard to create it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And I'm young enough to matter in twenty years. Israel needs to get folks like me on their side, and quick.
The occupation and Israel created Hamas.
"You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time." Bob Marley
Mosby
(16,299 posts)"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
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Artist: Bob Marley Lyrics
Album: Track 4 on Exodus
Length: 3:16
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Heaven is under the earth.
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'Alf the story has never been told:
So now you see the light, eh!
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You can fool some people sometimes,
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Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Also: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, and that's all you need." (attributed to Richard Nixon )
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Many people (like Bibi) fool themselves into thinking they can fool all Americans all the time. Bibi sure thinks we are dumb.
Fortunately we can seek out information and fact check him and the IDF. DID you know the IDF Used children as human shields?
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)So much effort for such worthless results.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And letting the IDF murder civilians.
840high
(17,196 posts)their inefficient rockets.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Killing children. There's one IDF soldier who claims he sniped 13 children. In one day. And i'm supposed to think Hamas are the real terrorists? Nope. I used to despise Hamas, until the IDF started killing babies.
Israel can lift the blockade and give back ALL the land they stole and then pay restitution to the families of the victims. Dismantle the settlements and stop terrorizing the Palestinians. You can't steal, steal, steal, oppress, oppress, oppress, and expect not to have violent resistance. Even the US had slave revolts.
Victim turned perpetrators are still perpetrators.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You just admitted that even you know that Hamas rockets are not a serious threat. Yet you are here supporting the murder of more than a thousand innocent Palestinian children, women and old people.
You Israel apologists have been propagandized into believing that the Palestinian people are sub-human.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)They have Bloody Bibi to thank for that. He was behind the creation of so many telegenically dead bodies.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And besides a few people posting on these boards I don't think Hamas and their worldwide allies have any chance of winning over any group of Americans any time soon matter what the age group.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's just that Israel is losing. I'm 33. I don't know how old you are Doctor.