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IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on Urban Warfare, which belonged to the Shujaiya Brigade of Hamas military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.
Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas urban warfare manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.
This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.
The Manual
In a portion entitled Limiting the Use of Weapons, the manual explains that: The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].
Clearly Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of weapons in order to avoid harming civilians, including refraining from using larger firepower to support for infantry.
The manual goes on to explain that the presence of civilians are pockets of resistance that cause three major problems for advancing troops:
(1) Problems with opening fire
(2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward
(3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it
Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed: The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).
It is clear that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.
Why Shujaiya is Important
It is also of no small importance that this manual belongs to the Shujaiya Brigade. The IDF fought a major battle in the neighborhood of Shujaiya, which had been turned into a terrorist stronghold. The discovery of this manual suggests that the destruction to the civilian population of Shujaiya was a part of Hamas plan.
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Will-captured-Hamas-manual-on-using-human-shields-help-Israel-block-war-crimes-trials-370154
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/08/05/hamas-terror-manual-says-presence-of-civilians-are-pockets-of-resistance-codifying-policy-of-using-gazans-as-human-shields/
bemildred
(90,061 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)abovesobelow
(73 posts)"Does your countrys banks host accounts belonging to Hezbollah related NGOs, businessmen or companies? It might be profitable now, but not so much in the future if the Hezbollah International Financing Prevention Act of 2014 is approved by the US Congress.
Two days ago, a group of United States Senators, both democrats and republicans, introduced a new bill that might directly affect the financial sector in Lebanon. The bill aims to curb Hezbollahs global financial connections and its money laundering activities that help fund the organizations activities in Lebanon, Syria and elsewhere. In April, a group of politicians introduced a similar bipartisan legislation in the House of Representatives.
The Act imposes more financial sanctions against the group than in the past. The draft asks to impose sanctions on individuals or institutions such as central banks that knowingly do business with Hezbollah, or companies/individuals who have been designated by the US as Hezbollah financiers. Central banks would be forbidden from conducting any financial activities in the US.
The bill also targets Al-Manar TV, Hezbollahs mouthpiece. Sanctions would be imposed on all US cable companies that offer the channel. The bill also urges President Barack Obama to name Hezbollah as a Narcotics Trafficking Organization, shedding light on several cases of Latin American drug rings allegedly related to the Lebanese Party of God.
The bill introduced to the senate also requires the president to provide Congress, within 90 days, with a list of countries in which Hezbollah maintains important portions of its global logistics networks" and a list of countries where Hezbollah, or its affiliates, conduct fundraising events. The Obama administration is also required to specify if anything is being done to curb those activities.
It is widely known that Hezbollahs main source of funding comes from Iran and of the allegedly cash-filled-suitcases that used to come from Tehran through Syria. However, due to international sanctions on Iran, the country has recently discussed an austerity budget that made Hezbollah spend much less on its community of supporters in Beirut. Nevertheless, according to several analysts, inside sources and businessmen that NOW has interviewed over the years, Hezbollah also relies on a worldwide network of charities and businesses whose profits go directly into the partys pocket."
https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/newsandpolitics/547469-targeting-hezbollahs-business-empire
wandy
(3,539 posts)and we all recoil in horror with some going as far as to recommend genocide.
Yet when an american openly admits that they would use women and children as human shields..........
Crickets
Not so much as a Fu**ing parking ticket.
Some think him a hero fighting a oppressive government for just cows.
Many simply forget and in doing so accept.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)abovesobelow
(73 posts)just to carry out the bidding of Iran, their main arms supplier and funder, and wipe Israeli Jews off the face of the map.
Part of Hama's charter.........
"our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[2] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel"
They won't even remove THEIR CALL FOR GENOCIDE AGAINST JEWS GLOBALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But, they want peace......
bemildred
(90,061 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Just like when a fugitive holds a family hostage, the police are justified in killing the family in order to get the fugitive.
abovesobelow
(73 posts)if missiles were fired on your territory by a Radical Fundamentalist group that took a vow to wipe you and yours off the planet because of your belief?
frylock
(34,825 posts)would you expect the local PD to level your block because someone down the street robbed the liquor store?
How are rocket attacks against civilians in any way similar to a liquor store robbery?
Perhaps you would not expect your government to protect you from attacks by a foreign government. But most people, and the Israelis affected by these attacks, certainly do. In fact their government has an obligation to respond, just as ours would.
frylock
(34,825 posts)keep fucking that chicken.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Compared the numbers of dead on both sides. Compare the living conditions on both sides. Compare the treatment of civilians on both sides by the other side.
Compare the historical presence of each population in the area.
If I took your home away would you be bitter?
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)If a Native American group began launching rockets and mortars at US civilians in order to "retake their homeland" you WOULDN'T expect any retaliation on the part of the US government?
Palestinian terrorist groups have always actively targeted Israeli civilians and often children. Their treatment of civilians on both sides of the conflict is far more reprehensible than Israeli policies.
Jews lived in the area for as long as any other native population. Israeli Jewish refugees originally from (non-Israeli) Palestine or other Arab states did lose their homes to ethnic cleansing. They have not used this as an excuse to refuse opportunities for peace. How many Jewish refugees from Egypt do you see launching terrorist attacks against their former state?
The living conditions in Gaza are a direct result of their actions. When Israel left in 2005 Gaza had all of the tools to build a successful, peaceful society. Instead they chose to invest their efforts in attacking Israel. Mere hours following the withdrawal in fact.
That said, how has attacking israel improved gaza's living conditions? Why does that excuse terrorism iyo?
aranthus
(3,385 posts)Among the anti-Israel crowd (and who else do you think you're posting this to on this board?), rejects any seemingly pro-Israel statement as a lie, without any evidence, and accepts any anti-Israel statement as true, despite the evidence. Even the wretched lies of Hamas. For example, the following:
1. Hamas has offered peace to Israel. Said several times on this board, even though it is blatantly untrue.
2. Israel is only prohibiting imports of concrete into Gaza to punish the Palestinians, not because Hamas could use the concrete to build anything to attack Israel.
3. Hamas doesn't want to kill Jews.
There are others, but you get the idea.
abovesobelow
(73 posts)unless of course they are part of some foreign government outfit, which wouldn't surprise me. Either way over the weekend the whole site was painted with anti-Israel posts and blatantly anti-Semitic statements, there needs to be a context presented in the face of such manipulative tactics.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Or it makes Hamas look bad or something.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)THAT is an Israeli propaganda term.
Hamas is down in the tunnels, where they can't be bombed, that's what the tunnels are for. That's why they are down there. But apparently the IDF is too stupid to understand that, or too fond of believing its own bullshit, or it simply does not care.
But in any case, Hamas does not rely on the proximity of citizens of Gaza to protect itself, it has better means and better sense than to rely on Israeli notions of "restraint", or the bodies of the people of Gaza, which as we can see offer very little protection.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Thanks.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)ummmmmm.... okay then. how's that working out?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)The IDF fought in court to be able to CONTINUE using palestinians as human shields.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/neighbors-won-t-be-serving-1.171577
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)are in on the Zionist conspiracy to make hamas look like the murderous assholes they are:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/indian-tv-gets-footage-of-militants-preparing-to-fire-rocket-from-civilian-area/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Like in that video. It's an even bigger crime to drop bombs on the site that they know are filled with civilians and devoid of Hamas fighters. The video makes the case for them even worse.
In the video, the Hamas fighters set up the contraption the DAY PREVIOUS to firing the weapon. Why bomb the area when you know they have been gone for 24 HOURS!? When you know that there will ONLY be civilians in the area!?
Thanks for the link. It proves to me that the IDF knows for fact that the militants are LONG GONE before they drop bombs on highly populated areas.
Maybe the video doesn't make the IDF look any better than hamas. They fired from an empty lot, not a UN school or a hosptial, or a home or apartment. So why bomb the infrastructure? To terrorize the people. Shame.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)so I have no idea what you're babbling about.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Shame.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)will just let the IDF film them shooting off their rockets because that makes perfect sense.....well, I guess it does to you which wont surprise anybody with a brain.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yeah. I mean, if they wanted to keep it secret they wouldn't have used that big blue tent, and set up in broad daylight. Then left it for a day before firing remotely. It seems to me that the way they set up and fire projectiles should be known by the IDF. It is such a superior force and all. If they simply let Gaza have self rule, the citizens might report rockets. But if you bomb them, why should they?
King_David
(14,851 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)So now that we know tgat the rockets are set up the day before and fired remotely, can we stop bombing the civilians. Now that the Indian journalists cracked the case.