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Related: About this forumGuardian Gives Platform to Promote Terrorist-Organized “Global March to Jerusalem”
Global March to Jerusalem, scheduled for this Friday, March 30, is an anti-Israel publicity stunt that aims to have a million people marching on Israels borders from surrounding countries Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt with the aim of reaching Jerusalem. Concurrently, demonstrations are planned against Israels diplomatic missions in major cities throughout the world.
The organizers of GMJ are made up of members of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, far-left extremist groups and are backed by the Iranian government. Senior organizers include:
Ahmed Abo Halabiya, a Hamas MP
Zaher Birawi, a prominent Hamas activist in the UK and senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood linked Palestinian Return Center.
Abdul Maqri, head of the Algerian delegation aboard the Mavi Marmara who in 2010 said all our blood is Palestine and declared that Israel will be annihilated soon.
Advisory board members include George Galloway, Mahathir Mohammed and Sheikh Raed Salah.
Official statements of the organizers of GMJ attempt to portray the movement as a peaceful protest aimed at highlighting the so-called Judaization of Jerusalem.
more...
http://honestreporting.com/guardian-gives-platform-to-promote-terrorist-organized-global-march-to-jerusalem/
jimmie
(318 posts)to see the acceptance of israel.... especially by a so-called newspaper.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)to have a million unarmed people march to Israel's capital?
It's not as though you HAVE to oppose the march to accept Israel.
This is a PEACEFUL protest.
jimmie
(318 posts)in fact I like them very much.
Now, lets look at who is sponsoring this event....
The organizers of GMJ are made up of members of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, far-left extremist groups and are backed by the Iranian government. Senior organizers include:
Ahmed Abo Halabiya, a Hamas MP
Zaher Birawi, a prominent Hamas activist in the UK and senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood linked Palestinian Return Center.
Abdul Maqri, head of the Algerian delegation aboard the Mavi Marmara who in 2010 said all our blood is Palestine and declared that Israel will be annihilated soon. Advisory board members include George Galloway, Mahathir Mohammed and Sheikh Raed Salah.
That is quite an ECLECTIC group.
Hamas and Iran are just so for peace.
Abdul Marqi predicts "israel will be annihilated soon".....sounds VERY peaceful
Galloway who is a real winner.
And while I don't know the others real well , nothing would surprise me.
And one more thing , what exactly are the protesting ?
Judaization of Jerusalem?....Nope, can't have Judaization there.
mind numbing.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)that, if those groups are involved, this might actually be a change of tactics?
If they were going to do an actual armed invasion, it's rather unlikely that they'd announce it weeks in advance. Invaders tend not to do that...since the whole element of surprise thing is compromised, to say the least.
And really...you don't have to support Israeli annexation of East Jerusalem(which is what they're talking about...they're not challenging Israeli control of the part of the city that is actually in Israel) just to prove that you're not "anti-Israel". It goes without saying that ANY peace proposal will have to place East Jerusalem(the Arab part of the city)in Palestine.
If you sincerely want a two-state solution, you CAN'T insist on an entirely Israeli Jerusalem. That outcome simply won't happen, and it's not worth being ugly about it to try to make it happen.
jimmie
(318 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)....are peace activists and 'progressives'.
Is that right, Ken?
FYI - these sanctimonious freepers you're cheering on as progressives traveled right through Syria the past few days. Think the hypocrites saw any human rights violations there? Anything at all?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)(Then again, neither is Likud or, for that matter, Kadima(Kadima is a bland center party AT BEST).
What I said was that this might be a sign that they are open to changing their tactics and perhaps following a different path.
Let me ask you this...if the march sponsors kept the event nonviolent...would you STILL be outraged by the very idea of the march itself?
And may I also ask...IF the intent of the march was for violent, even terrorist actions to occur...why, might I ask, would they ANNOUNCE the march so far in advance? Isn't the early notice of this, in a way, at least something of an act of good faith?
(btw, you know perfectly well I dislike Hamas and I've said so here many, many times...so will you please just accept that about me and stop implying that I somehow secretly support them or something?)
shira
(30,109 posts)You do realize that Iran, Syria, and the Muslim Brotherhood are behind the march? Gilad Atzmon and his cheerleaders within the Free Gaza movement (who are quite proud of what happened with the flotilla 2 years ago) are involved once again.
Why are you promoting this as a peaceful, progressive cause?
It's an obvious attempt to deflect attention away from what's happening in Syria and around the mideast. Your progressive friends are more than happy to play along. It's an anti-human rights march that helps dictators like Syria's Assad remain in power.
You should be condemning this bigoted march.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I call upon those organizing it to be nonviolent, as does the overwhelming majority of the Palestine solidarity community in places like North America, the UK, Australia and Europe.
It's not an expression of bigotry simply for one million people to march to a city.
And the fact that they've announce this event in advance would make it impossible for them to use it to commit any acts of violence-how could they, when everybody in the world knows when this is happening and where it's going to happen? You need surprise to pull off violent acts, shira.
Answer me this, shira...if you received assurances from sources YOU felt you could trust that nothing violent at all would happen on this march, would you STILL consider the march to be a provocation?
I don't know what's going to happen...obviously, if the Israelis want to prevent this march from reaching Jerusalem, they will succeed-and, knowing that, you can't actually seriously consider this a real threat to anyone or anything...but just to play a thought experiment, if you were assured and felt you could actually trust the assurances that this was, in fact, going to be a nonviolent event, would you STILL consider it a provocation?
Are you going to treat ANY large political gathering of Arab or Muslim people as an inherently threatening event? No matter what?
Do you assume that nobody who's Arab or Muslim is capable of making, without coercion, any choice other than violence?
And if you are going to do that...how would your doing that NOT be an expression of bigotry?
At some point, shira if you are sincere about seeking a two-state solution, you have to be capable of acknowledging that it is actually possible for Palestinians, other Arabs, or non-Arab Muslims to act honestly, decently, and in good faith without being FORCED to do so by the might of the IDF. You can't have a real peace settlement based on permanent suspicion and hostility. Or on the assumption that the Israeli side can be trusted and the Palestinians can't ever be, so the Israeli side must always have the power to take away Palestinian sovereignty at an instant. Or on the assumption that the Israelis are the victims and the Palestinians are the villains(there's victimhood and villainy on both sides, and probably in even measure over the long run).
At some point, to end ANY war, especially a war that is unwinnable in military terms as is the I/P conflict(and as was the Northern Irish internal war) you have to treat the other side as human beings...and not dehumanize them by seeing them as nothing but "the enemy". You have to be willing to NOT always have the upper hand. There's far less risk in breaking with the hard-line status quo than there is in perpetuating it.
King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)As we know, the North American branch of the Global March to Jerusalem has been availing itself of the services of the well-known anti-Semitic anti-Israel campaigner Gilad Atzmon for fundraising purposes. An album of music by Atzmon and collaborators is for sale via the GMJ-NA website and in February a benefit was held in Oakland, California, featuring Atzmon as its main attraction.
Atzmons obnoxious views are the subject of a statement published on March 13th by the US Palestinian Community Network entitled Granting No Quarter: A Call for the Disavowal of the Racism and Antisemitism of Gilad Atzmon which was signed by a number of well-known activists.
It would seem, however, that several of the signatories have not made the connection between the uncritical (to say the least) embracing of Atzmon by leading Global March to Jerusalem organisers and their own declared principles.
more...
http://hurryupharry.org/2012/03/22/leading-global-march-to-jerusalem-organizers-embrace-gilad-atzmon/
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)What a joke... six to ten people will make a ruckus at an airport, be detained for a few hours and sent on their way.
This isn't a protest -- it's activist tourism
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If it were to come out like that...why should the Israelis even CARE?
Btw...the organizers would have to be complete idiots to give the IDF a heads-up on their schedule if the intent was actually violent in any way. Nobody is THAT insanely overconfident.
In fact, I think there's a greater risk of causing violence if the march is barred...because barring it would make the case that nonviolent protest won't be tolerated by the Israeli authorities.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)There will be 10 times as many people writing about the protest as there are participants -- all of them will proclaim it's virtues and successes like it was the Second Coming of Elvis.
Witness the "Freedom Flotilla" -- got a lot of people hurt, accomplished nothing but generated tonnes of anti-Israel press coverage.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)for the IDF to leave the march utterly alone, and for spokespersons for the Israeli government to say nothing at all about it-AND, for that matter, NOT to hassle anybody whose arriving at the airport about it.
The harsher and more repressive the Israeli response, especially if the march is, in fact, a peaceful event, the greater the liklihood of the coverage being positive from the Israeli standpoint. The wisest choice would be to simply not GIVE the march organizers the images they might want...to make sure nobody gets jailed, or beaten, or wounded with rubber bullets or flying tear gas canisters. In other words...the Israeli leadership, at least for once, should consider finesse.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)Clashes erupted on Friday in the north of Jerusalem between Israel Defense Force soldiers and some 250 Palestinian protesters marking Land Day. Protesters at the Qalandiyah checkpoint hurled rocks at soldiers, who responded with stun grenades and tear gas.
At the border crossing near Rachel's Tomb, between Jerusalem and Bethlehem, about 300 protesters hurled stones at security forces and even threw Molotov cocktails. The crossing, frequented by tourists and pilgrims, was closed to the public. One protester was apparently wounded when he was hit by a tear gas grenade, and was evacuated to hospital.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-protesters-marking-land-day-clash-with-idf-soldiers-in-jerusalem-and-west-bank-1.421662
jimmie
(318 posts)you knew this was coming
Kurska
(5,739 posts)I don't know. Why don't you think about that for a fucking second.
I think that is called an invasion.
By the way it wasn't peaceful, protestors threw rocks and petrol bombs at the IDF.
shira
(30,109 posts)Theres a fence just beyond the white building on the upper left of the photo, where the border between Lebanon and Israel stands.
So far, theres been no GMJ related provocations, though the IDF thinks theres a good chance it may sometime during the day.
I just met a man in Metula, in northern Israel along the Lebanese border, whose home overlooks the field shown in the photo who not only let me recharge my laptop battery by his garage, but invited me in his home to chat.
George is a Christian Lebanese-Israeli. That is, he is Lebanese but fled S. Lebanon with his family not too long after Israel withdrew in 2000. Their decision to leave was based entirely on the fear of Hezbollah and what he thought would be the corresponding intolerance towards Christians as the result of the ascendant Shiite Islamist movement.
George told me, when asked, over a cup of intense Lebanese coffee, that he would never consider returning to his country of birth, even if his safety could be assured.
Israel is now his home.
Just one little anecdote perhaps, but a tale which speaks volumes about the small physical fissures, and quite large moral ones, separating the Jewish state from its neighbors.
http://cifwatch.com/2012/03/30/blogging-from-metula-lebanese-border-where-global-march-to-jerusalem-clashes-may-erupt/
jimmie
(318 posts)Iran Threatens Church with Bombing
TEHRAN, IRAN (Worthy News) Another church in Tehran was ordered to cease holding services in Farsi, the Iranian national language, otherwise it could be "bombed".
According to Barnabas Aid, ministers from an Iranian interior department dealing with interfaith matters served notice to the Armenian Anglican Church, unofficially threatening that if the order is ignored, the church will be bombed as happens in Iraq every day.
This latest threat comes after both Emmanuel Protestant and St. Peter Evangelical churches were ordered to stop holding services in Farsi on Fridays, which falls on the weekend in Iran where Sunday is just another work day.
"It now seems likely that the Islamic authorities have imagined that with this new restriction they will somehow hold back the rapid, and evidently extremely worrying, spread of Christianity amongst the people under their yoke," according to a report by the Farsi Christian News Network.
Iranian security agents have been arresting Christians in a country-wide crackdown since Christmas.
http://www.worthynews.com/11372-iran-threatens-church-with-bombing
Well at least theyre equal opportunity haters
shira
(30,109 posts)Before the start of the activities of the celebration was 4 rabbis of Jewish Americans of movement 'Neturei Karta' who reject the Israeli occupation of Palestine and the State of Israel from the ground, beaten and insulted by a group of young participants in the march, before the regulators to intervene and rid the rabbis.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2F69.162.113.178%2FviewPost.php%3Fid%3D41141%26sec_id%3D1
Hi sweet we are Arabs Netgear will not always calculate it wrong .. rabbis involved with us against the occupation and we beat them and abuse them how long this stupid .. And believe me that the reform does not come until we fix ourselves and will not make up our situation so that the number of worshipers in the prayer of dawn, as in the Friday prayer.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ar&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjordanzad.com%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3Darticle%26id%3D77334
shira
(30,109 posts)1437: Israeli military is disputing Barghouti's explanation of how he was injured. Two Israeli army spokespeople say he was attacked in response to his efforts to incite violence.
Avital Leibovich@AvitalLeibovich
The info I have regarding Mousteffa Bargoutti injured,is that he was hurt by a Pales,as he was trying to convince youth in #Kalandya to riot
30 Mar 12
Ofir Gendelman@ofirgendelman
Mustafa Barghouti was punched by a Palestinian man as a result of his attempt to incite clashes. He wasn't injured by a gas canister #GMJ
30 Mar 12
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=472506
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Avital Leibovich
@AvitalLeibovich
I am the official Israel Defense Forces Spokesperson to the international press
Mustafa Barghouti would be a recognizable name to Westerners especially Americans due to his appearance on the Daily Show awhile back , too bad he says that it's not true
King_David
(14,851 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Even Mondoweiss had to issue a correction to their story where they mocked Leibovich for saying that Barghouti was attacked by Palestinians.
A Palestinian source they trust has said the same.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)A source with access to Barghouti says Barghouti stands by his version of events. We will continue to follow up on the story.
from what I've read Barghouti says he was hit with an Israeli tear gas canister
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/mustafa-barghouti-stable-after-being-struck-in-head-by-teargas-canister-at-qalandiya-israelis-claim-palestinians-attacked-him.html
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'm sorry @Mondoweiss, but as an eye witness I'd like to say that indeed Barghouti wasn't attacked by Israelis.
https://twitter.com/#!/JalalAK_jojo
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)did you know that Jalal Abukhater has written for the Electric Intifada?
Still it does seem strange that Barghouti would lie about his injuries can you think of why he would protect the PFLP and PNI?
still it will be interesting to see what if anything comes of this
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Budour - بُدور ? @Budour48
Mustafa Barghouti claims he was hit by a tear gas canister fired by IDF; not true: He was attacked by fellow protesters in front of our eyes
https://twitter.com/#!/Budour48
shira
(30,109 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Did you see his recent speech to J Street?
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 3, 2012, 07:43 AM - Edit history (3)
Just as he's lying about the IDF being responsible for his injuries in the past week.
1. He prefers one state. The only reason he says he's for 2 states is b/c he doesn't want Palestinians to be perceived as being against peace. Sounds like other people we know who say they're "for 2 states, but....":
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/06/mustafa-barghouthis-2-state1-state-straddle.html
2. He's for BDS, and as we know BDS calls for an end to Israel via full RoR. He sounds like Omar Barghouti of BDS (who is definitely a one-stater). For that matter, Mustafa also works closely with the Free Gaza Movement, ISM, etc. All organizations for one state, RoR, against peace:
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/26/boycotting_israel_mustafa_barghouti_vs_rabbi
http://umkahlil.blogspot.com/2006/09/open-question-to-dr-mustafa-barghouti.html
3. For someone saying he's for 2 states and peace, he will not recognize a Jewish state:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/25/netanyahus_speech_to_congress_dashes_palestinian
4. Mustafa says he's for peace, but blames organizations like PMW (which expose Palestinian incitement) for dehumanizing Palestinians. Ask yourself what kind of 2 state peace Mustafa envisions if he says Palestinian incitement is nothing more than PMW dehumanization. Worse, what kind of 1-state scenario does he envision when he's incapable of recognizing the very worst kind of vile Jew hatred? He says he's for 1- state, full equal rights, against "apartheid", etc. But he turns the other way, makes excuses, & deflects when Jews are on the receiving end of the worst kind of antisemitic rhetoric/incitement? He's full of shit.
5. And last, when have you ever seen Mustafa Barghouti condemn unconditionally - in the strongest terms possible - terror activities vs. Israeli innocents? Not some milktoast prepared statement that he's against all violence from both sides bullshit. Has he called for Hamas to renounce terror? For the PLO to stop incitement to terror? No, no, and no. As you can see in his interview with Itamar Marcus above, he'd rather blame PMW for exposing hate/incitement than condemn it unconditionally, or act against it.
shira
(30,109 posts)...that everyone who was there at the time would play along, help him out, and blame Israel.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or will it turn out like Khalood Badwadi and George Soros as a Nazi collaborator?
Time will tell
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)As you can see here, the Hamas cheerleaders at Middle East Monitor have again breached the embargo and broken the news.
We are living in a Europe in which antisemitic rabble rousers and hate preachers are honoured and feted by politicians. When Jewish children are slaughtered by their followers, progressive newspapers like The Guardian cannot bring themselves to report the antisemitism which motivated those killings. Judges overrule the Government when they try to exclude scum like Salah, exonerate thugs who destroy property they believe is connected to Israel, and acquit those who bite Jews in the face.
My prediction is that this judgement will be the trigger for The Guardian to launch further attacks on the Community Security Trust.
What a mess.
http://hurryupharry.org/2012/04/07/we-cant-defend-our-borders-hate-preacher-raed-salah-wins-appeal/