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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:09 PM Jul 2014

White House Says US Can’t Stop ‘Tsunami’ Of Boycott And Isolation If Israel Won’T End ‘Occupations’

The press is expressing marvel/shock at a speech by Philip Gordon, a White House adviser, saying that Israel’s ongoing “occupations” and settlements are driving its international isolation and the boycott movement.

“Philip Gordon blasted Israel,” says PowerLine. “[H]is oration read as though Gordon is a recent arrival from Planet Zog who has mistaken the Middle East for Finland,” says David Horovitz. His paper captures the story:



“Top Obama official blasts Israel for denying Palestinians sovereignty, security, dignity.

“‘How can Israel have peace if it’s unwilling to delineate a border, end the occupation?’ asks White House Mideast chief, Phillip Gordon, in blistering Tel Aviv speech”


Talk about the changing narrative.

Gordon’s full speech is up at the White House site. Gordon is White House Coordinator for the Middle East, North Africa, and the Gulf Region, and he spoke at Haaretz’s international conference. Here are key excerpts, including the inability of the U.S. to defend Israel against international “pressure… building” because of Israel’s failure to define its borders and end the “occupations.” The plural is Gordon’s.

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http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/boycott-isolation-occupations.html
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White House Says US Can’t Stop ‘Tsunami’ Of Boycott And Isolation If Israel Won’T End ‘Occupations’ (Original Post) Purveyor Jul 2014 OP
Obama warned Israel awhile back. Nobody is at home to answer. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #1
How can they even hear the knock at the door R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #5
The US still wants that same earlier deal, so does Livni and the EU. I would not make too much Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #6
The US wants what deal? Did Abbas agree to it? n/t shira Jul 2014 #7
Where you've been? The Kerry Initiative, and yes, Abbas was willing. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #10
Show me where Abbas agreed to the Kerry Initiative please. n/t shira Jul 2014 #12
Oh come off it, are you serious? Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #19
There's nothing there showing Abbas agreed to Kerry Initiative. Try again. n/t shira Jul 2014 #20
You're a riot. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #21
Show me a headline or something where it says Abbas agrees to…….? shira Jul 2014 #22
You have wasted enough of my time and you're not fooling anyone with such deceit. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #23
IOW, you just made shit up & linked us to crap... shira Jul 2014 #24
You read the links in 3 minutes? I made up nothing, it's all there. Your tactics are silly. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #34
I call on anyone else reading this schlock to find exactly what Abbas agreed to….. shira Jul 2014 #35
Willing, yes he was indeed. You can call on anyone you like and round up all your Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #38
Willing for what exactly? Be specific. Don't be afraid to speak up. n/t shira Jul 2014 #42
You asked and I offered links, you did not read them, as it is impossible to read all of them Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #48
I looked at the Haaretz and Times of Israel links. The others are bullshit... shira Jul 2014 #50
You're a riot. Juan Cole is respected here at DU, just so you know. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #51
So I take it none of those links point to Abbas agreeing to the Kerry Plan. shira Jul 2014 #52
How would you know, you did not read them and your pathetic attempts to justify Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #53
Yeah right. Mondoweiss and Juan Cole got the scoop! SMH…. shira Jul 2014 #54
Disgusting mouth..bleck. Peres was lying too I guess. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #56
I'm sure Peres got a few concessions Abbas now denies, but what exactly…. shira Jul 2014 #60
Wow, it really is throwing you for a loop...too funny. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #62
So you made it all up. Why not apologize and move on? n/t shira Jul 2014 #64
You're hilarious and you can't move on and you can't refute the links. Your last comment Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #65
Refute the links? Bwahahahaha! n/t shira Jul 2014 #66
Yes, I am still waiting. Mocking the authors and Peres is not helping you. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #67
Juan Cole is respected by whom? Here's Cole on the 3 murdered teens…. shira Jul 2014 #57
You're losing it, go for it..shira. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #59
That description by Cole of the murdered teens was vile and hateful. shira Jul 2014 #61
Ha ha King_David Jul 2014 #26
Accusations like yours are funny, you can read the links or not....it's all there. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #32
Ok thanks King_David Jul 2014 #45
You're welcome. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #49
Yes, all Israel has to do is negotiate peace with Hamas & company... shira Jul 2014 #2
Because Israel wants the land Palestinians are living on Larkspur Jul 2014 #3
Hamas just fired rockets at a nuclear plant. How do u negotiate peace with that? n/t shira Jul 2014 #8
well, one doesn't engage in diplomacy with friends n/t Scootaloo Jul 2014 #25
Hamas idiots want to nuke Israel & u say it's Israel's fault they can't make….. shira Jul 2014 #27
Kill 'em all and let Allah sort them out, then? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #29
Strawman. We're talking making nice with genocidal Hamas maniacs. shira Jul 2014 #30
It's not a strawman, it's exactly what you advocate Scootaloo Jul 2014 #36
It's absolutely a straw man. I don't find diplomacy repulsive…. shira Jul 2014 #43
However you wish to phrase it, you reject the notion of diplomacy Scootaloo Jul 2014 #46
Shira, do you ever get tired of R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #4
There aren't enough sanctions that will force Israel into allowing Hamas…. shira Jul 2014 #11
why yes of course it's always better to 'negotiate peace' with friends than with enemies huh? azurnoir Jul 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #55
Philip Gordon's words took me by surprise - especially considering the timing azurnoir Jul 2014 #13
He had to evacuate a building when sirens went off in Tel Aviv. Talk about timing…. shira Jul 2014 #14
Got a link for that? azurnoir Jul 2014 #15
5th paragraph... shira Jul 2014 #17
says nothing about Gordon does it? in fact it states hours prior to Gordons speech azurnoir Jul 2014 #39
and while we're on the subject of TelAviv isn't Israel's military headquarters located there? azurnoir Jul 2014 #16
Hamas makes it clear they target civilians. Also, Israel isn't firing rockets from Tel Aviv…. shira Jul 2014 #18
no "moral equivalency" it's a fact Israel chose to locate a military target in a civilian city azurnoir Jul 2014 #28
You think that post shows I'm in favor of murdering innocents? shira Jul 2014 #31
you called B'tselem's plea "a sick f*cking joke" B'tselem has never said it's okay for Hamas to fire azurnoir Jul 2014 #37
Do you agree or disagree with Derfner about Hamas' right to terrorize? n/t shira Jul 2014 #40
we're discussing your statement in reply to B'tselem making a plea for the lives of innocents azurnoir Jul 2014 #41
I agree with B'tselem but have major issues with many here…. shira Jul 2014 #44
As long as Israelis and Palestinians sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #33
Israel has proven it will trade or evacuate land for peace. shira Jul 2014 #47
You should be ashamed to make such disceitful claims. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #58
What's your idea of a Pal. state in any real sense of the word? n/t shira Jul 2014 #63
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
5. How can they even hear the knock at the door
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jul 2014

while they are constantly screaming about anti-Semites all the time?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. The US still wants that same earlier deal, so does Livni and the EU. I would not make too much
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:35 PM
Jul 2014

of Obama's reminder. It would take a lot for the US to not protect Israel and I see this mostly
as pressure to meet that end.

On the other hand, to me, Israel has opened the door to serious problems IF Abbas was willing
to go to the ICC. Reportedly he says he is signing on...he could in theory, serve up Hamas and
Israel. With that said, I would not bet any money on him, yet.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. Oh come off it, are you serious?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:12 PM
Jul 2014
snip, from back in 2013, Kerry was granted the change he wanted from the Arab League,
and the land swaps would translate to most of the WB going to Israel.


* The answer may be found in the Fox News account of the April 7th meeting between U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and a Palestinian delegation which included President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah.

[Palestinian o]fficials say Kerry has proposed two small changes to make it more palatable to Israel, saying the 1967 lines could be modified through mutual agreement and pressing for stronger security guarantees.

Calling these small changes is ridiculous since allowing negotiation on borders negates one of the defining proposals of the API; that there be a full Israeli withdrawal from all territories Israel conquered in 1967. Secondly, requiring stronger security guarantees is a euphemism for less Palestinian sovereignty. Its application usually is understood to include Israeli control of Palestinian air space, borders,water resources, as well as long-term permission to station Israeli troops in the Jordan Valley.

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/04/palestinians-initiative-israelis.html

January, 2014 snip* The framework: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.571179

The warning shots: As the deal Abbas would agree to would leave the Palestinians without a
viable state: March, 2014


snip* The Kerry juggernaut was impossible to predict a year ago. In hindsight, however, it makes perfect sense.

http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/the_end_of_palestine_its_time_to_sound_an_alarm

Which followed with another warning here: March 2014

snip*Why John Kerry’s peace mission should worry liberal Zionists
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.579441

Then "Poof" April 2014

http://www.juancole.com/2014/04/squatting-jerusalem-breakdown.html

Also, Peres confirms how much Abbas was willing to give up 3 years ago:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/peres-netanyahu-torpedoed-peace-deal-3-years-ago/






 

shira

(30,109 posts)
22. Show me a headline or something where it says Abbas agrees to…….?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jul 2014

And show us exactly what he agreed to.

Otherwise, you're just spewing more bullshit propaganda.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
35. I call on anyone else reading this schlock to find exactly what Abbas agreed to…..
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jul 2014

You said he agreed to the Kerry Initiatives.

I call bullshit.

What did he say about Jerusalem, refugees, end-of-conflict….?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
38. Willing, yes he was indeed. You can call on anyone you like and round up all your
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jul 2014

buddies, have at it.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
48. You asked and I offered links, you did not read them, as it is impossible to read all of them
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jul 2014

in 3 minutes, and that was just about the amount of time that passed when you
responded.

You're a game player...not to be taken seriously. Your demands now are absurd.

Read them if you like, if not, don't.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
50. I looked at the Haaretz and Times of Israel links. The others are bullshit...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jul 2014

Mondoweiss? Juan Cole?



Which of those articles claim Abbas accepted the Kerry Plan? Haaretz and Times of Israel didn't make such a claim.


Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
51. You're a riot. Juan Cole is respected here at DU, just so you know.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:55 PM
Jul 2014

The Mondoweiss piece links to a traditional news publication.

Poor you.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
52. So I take it none of those links point to Abbas agreeing to the Kerry Plan.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jul 2014

Like I said, you're all smoke and mirrors.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
53. How would you know, you did not read them and your pathetic attempts to justify
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jul 2014

not reading them is hilarious.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
54. Yeah right. Mondoweiss and Juan Cole got the scoop! SMH….
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jul 2014

You're mouth writes checks your ass can't cash.

And now you're pissed for being busted.

Poor thing.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
56. Disgusting mouth..bleck. Peres was lying too I guess.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:34 PM
Jul 2014

Like I said, you're a game player not to be taken seriously.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
60. I'm sure Peres got a few concessions Abbas now denies, but what exactly….
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jul 2014

….was the agreement? Point by point, I want to see where Abbas agreed on all terms with either Peres or Kerry.

You don't have shit.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
65. You're hilarious and you can't move on and you can't refute the links. Your last comment
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jul 2014

on Peres was priceless.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
57. Juan Cole is respected by whom? Here's Cole on the 3 murdered teens….
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:35 PM
Jul 2014
The kidnapping and killing of three Israeli squatter youth whose parents usurped Palestinian land has produced a paroxysm of hatred and calls for reprisals in Israel. Whoever is responsible for it, the killing of the youth was a horrid and inexcusable crime, and the heart of any parent goes out to the bereaved families.”


He's a revolting character.

2 of the 3 lived within Israel and his blog is listed as "Informed Comment"?

More like the Onion.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
61. That description by Cole of the murdered teens was vile and hateful.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:39 PM
Jul 2014

Let's see if you can at least agree with me on that...

King_David

(14,851 posts)
26. Ha ha
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jul 2014

Why not just answer her:

"Sorry Shira you got me, I can't show you what's not there because I just fabricated it "

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
2. Yes, all Israel has to do is negotiate peace with Hamas & company...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:21 PM
Jul 2014

Why the fuck can't they do something as simple as that?

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
3. Because Israel wants the land Palestinians are living on
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:27 PM
Jul 2014

If Israel's right wing had their way, they would either exterminate or deport Palestinians so that they can claim the territory of Biblical Israel and maybe some more.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. Hamas idiots want to nuke Israel & u say it's Israel's fault they can't make…..
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:27 PM
Jul 2014

…a peace deal happen with these genocidal maniacs?

Un.real.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
29. Kill 'em all and let Allah sort them out, then?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:35 PM
Jul 2014

I said nothign at all about something being Israel's "fault". Just noted that one dosn't engage in diplomacy with those who are already your friends.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
30. Strawman. We're talking making nice with genocidal Hamas maniacs.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jul 2014

Remember, sanctions will come down hard on Israel unless they make peace with Hamas.

Hamas are only technocrats in the new PA coalition formed.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
36. It's not a strawman, it's exactly what you advocate
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:51 PM
Jul 2014

You don't want to engage in diplomacy. You clearly find the concept of it to be absolutely repulsive. The alternative to diplomacy is, of course, war. War entails killing a lot of people, killing, and killing, and killing. Now, of course, wars have to end sometime, somehow, right? So how do wars end? Wars end in one of two ways.

First, and overwhelmingly the most common, is diplomacy. negotiations between the warring parties until something satisfactory is drawn together and agreed upon to end the fighting. But again, the very idea of diplomacy, of negotiating, offends you. so how does one end a war without diplomacy?

By total annihilation of the enemy. Burn them down to the very last root; salt the earth; cap it with three feet of concrete. Kill them all and let god sort it out.

You absolutely reject the notion of diplomacy, the very concept of it disgusts you as you make very clear. Well, there's only the other alternative to ending a war.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
43. It's absolutely a straw man. I don't find diplomacy repulsive….
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jul 2014

I think it's a joke given your enemy wants all your people dead.

And I'm not advocating total annihilation. I think you're projecting your own hatred onto me. I just think Hamas has to be taken out. And that will not require genocide.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
46. However you wish to phrase it, you reject the notion of diplomacy
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jul 2014

Whether it's because it disgusts you or because you think it's a joke, you reject the notion.

Well, that only leaves the one resolution to the conflict. You can win a war by negotiating its end in terms favorable to yourself, or you can win a war by eradicating the other side. And if you're going to reject the former, you by default advocate the latter.

I just think Hamas has to be taken out. And that will not require genocide.


Really? You think so? I think that's a very naive perspective.

Okay, you wage a campaign to liquidate all members of Hamas. Just the militant wing? well that leaves the non-militants. of course, since you're slaughtering your way through teir fellows, they're likely to take up arms themselves. so you start eradicating them as well? What about their supporters, who are bound to rally behind them? You start slaughtering the supporters too? How about their families, who are outraged at your killings of their brothers and sons and husbands and uncles? You start killing those families too? What about the peopel who loathe Hamas, but aren't going to just let you massacre and rape your way through all these people?

And of course, there's all that "collateral damage"...

or you could engage in diplomacy... which is a notion that you find less appealing than wholesale carnage, apparnetly.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
4. Shira, do you ever get tired of
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:28 PM
Jul 2014

wearing those blinders?

Israel, and its apologistas are going to look pretty felking silly holding what's left of their ass in their hands once sanctions start to take a bite.

But keep on treading water in that river in Egypt.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
11. There aren't enough sanctions that will force Israel into allowing Hamas….
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jul 2014

….to set up camp so close to Israel's major population centers.

Did you catch the news today? Hamas admitted they fired missiles at the Dimona Nuclear plant.



Still think they're using terror to achieve a peaceful 2 state solution?

Response to shira (Reply #2)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. Philip Gordon's words took me by surprise - especially considering the timing
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jul 2014

because right now we're only supposed to be paying attention to the Israeli's who are sent scurrying to bomb shelters and may suffer from PTSD -never mind those 'other' people they're only getting what they deserve, they don't love their children like we do, they want to die martyrs - all the stuff that goes into the propaganda of war

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
14. He had to evacuate a building when sirens went off in Tel Aviv. Talk about timing….
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jul 2014

No one in Israel can take what he said seriously.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
15. Got a link for that?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:02 PM
Jul 2014

in any event if this actually happened it only proved his words to be true, and no one in Israel can take what he said seriously- really ?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
17. 5th paragraph...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jul 2014
http://www.timesofisrael.com/top-obama-official-blasts-israel-for-denying-palestinians-sovereignty-security-dignity/

And no dear, Israelis have no illusions that Hamas does what it's doing in order to achieve a 2 state solution. It's impossible to negotiate peace with genocidal maniacs shooting rockets at nuclear facilities.

I double-dare you to tell me Hamas is interested in a genuine, peaceful 2 state solution.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
39. says nothing about Gordon does it? in fact it states hours prior to Gordons speech
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jul 2014

nor does it say they had to leave the building in fact they seemed to simply go to another part of the building

The administration is aware that Israel is facing threats on several fronts and Obama remains committed to Israel’s security, he said, speaking on the day that Israel launched Operation Protective Edge to counter rocket fire from the Hamas-run Gaza Strip. Indeed, mere hours before Gordon addressed the conference, hundreds of participants were forced to quickly evacuate the event hall and enter a safe room after an alert signaled a missile approaching Tel Aviv. After about 10 minutes, participants returned to the hall and the conference resumed.


Read more: Top Obama official blasts Israel for denying Palestinians sovereignty, security, dignity | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/top-obama-official-blasts-israel-for-denying-palestinians-sovereignty-security-dignity/#ixzz370lHzpbV
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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. and while we're on the subject of TelAviv isn't Israel's military headquarters located there?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jul 2014

as with Dimona in a civilian population?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. Hamas makes it clear they target civilians. Also, Israel isn't firing rockets from Tel Aviv….
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jul 2014

…into Gaza with the aim of murdering as many innocents as possible.

Yet another vulgar moral equivalency.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
28. no "moral equivalency" it's a fact Israel chose to locate a military target in a civilian city
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jul 2014

and as far as 'murdering innocents I have seen that defended by only one side here and the innocents are Palestinians unless of course the belief is that no Palestinian is innocent ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113466651#post1

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
31. You think that post shows I'm in favor of murdering innocents?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jul 2014

No, I marvel at those who call for peace and protection of innocents. The same people who support Hamas' justified right to terrorize innocents.

Explain that one to me.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
37. you called B'tselem's plea "a sick f*cking joke" B'tselem has never said it's okay for Hamas to fire
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jul 2014

at civilians, you threw in Larry Derfner who was not mentioned nor had anything to do with the subject for good measure or something your comment was the very first on the thread

here is in part the OP

B’Tselem’s initial investigation found that since the operation began, approximately 10 people were killed in several attacks throughout the Gaza Strip. Of these, to the best of B’Tselem’s knowledge at this point, seven persons – most of them minors – were killed when the home of alleged Hamas activist ‘Odeh al-Kaware’ah was bombed. Another 25 persons were reportedly injured in the incident, some of them severely so. The initial investigation indicates that as the homes of other Hamas activists had been bombed (as the IDF Spokesperson reported this morning), many area residents gathered around al-Kaware’ah’s home to prevent its bombing. It is unclear as yet whether the house was still surrounded by people at the time of the bombing. According to Israeli daily Ha’aretz, defense establishment officials stated that the bombed family home was the target of the aerial attack. B’Tselem is currently investigating the circumstances of the attack and whether the military was aware of civilian presence close by.

This morning, the IDF Spokesperson stated that the military had deliberately bombed four homes of persons defined as senior Hamas activists, without mentioning whether the homes were legitimate military objectives, such as, for example, ammunition storages. International humanitarian law permits attacks only against targets that effectively assist military efforts, when attacking them can gain a military advantage. The homes of Hamas activists are not, in themselves, legitimate targets, especially when family members reside in them. Defining them as targets is neither reasonable nor legal and permits harm to civilians who are supposed to be protected by international law.

B'Tselem reiterates its demand that all parties to the hostilities take all possible measures to prevent harm to civilians. The rules of war obligate all parties to a conflict to do their utmost to defend the civilian population. Deliberate targeting of civilians is expressly prohibited.


here is your reply

Protect civilians? While proclaiming Hamas has a given right....

....to shoot rockets at innocent civilians? Reminds me of Larry Derfner's insanity about the Palestinians having a right to terrorize Israelis.

Madness.

If I'm wrong, let's see Israel's most vocal critics condemn the Larry Derfners, Richard Falks, and Richard Silversteins who believe Hamas has a right (and is justified) to blow up innocent civilians.

Protect civilians?

What a sick, fucking joke.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/113466651#post1

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
41. we're discussing your statement in reply to B'tselem making a plea for the lives of innocents
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jul 2014

not Derfner

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
44. I agree with B'tselem but have major issues with many here….
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:30 PM
Jul 2014

…who apparently agree with Derfner but hypocritically post B'tselem reports about protecting innocents.

So once again, do u agree with Derfner?

Yes or No?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
33. As long as Israelis and Palestinians
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jul 2014

keep up their strongly one sided opinions, Kerry could float down from heaven as Allah or Jehova and there will still be no peace. I wonder sometimes whether they feed on each others hatred.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
47. Israel has proven it will trade or evacuate land for peace.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:54 PM
Jul 2014

Egypt 1979-1982.
South Lebanon 2000
Gaza 2005
Agreed to Clinton Initiatives to leave 97% of W.Bank in 2000-01.
Annapolis 2008, which ceded 100% of W.Bank land.

============

Meanwhile, there's no evidence the other side desires peace and 2 states.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
58. You should be ashamed to make such disceitful claims.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jul 2014

But of course being an Israel apologist you can't help yourself. Those "agreements" you mention had more stings attached than a million kites. They certainly wouldn't have resulted in a Palestinian state in any real sense of the word.

As for Lebanon and Gaza, the Israelis pulled out for strategic reasons, not as any land for peace initiative. They still kept a noose around Gaza -- essentially making it a ghetto fully dependent on Israel for the basics of life.

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