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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:59 PM

Just Who Do They Represent: At Hagel Hearing, Concern for Israel Tops U.S. Troops in Combat

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"When Senator Mike Lee took his turn to cross-examine defense-secretary nominee Chuck Hagel during last Thursday’s confirmation hearing, he expressed considerable concern for Israel’s security.

“Let’s say those Palestinians who have engaged in acts of terrorism, perhaps in retaliation against Israel for Israel defending itself,” the Republican from Utah asked, ”do they have a legitimate gripe?”

Hagel responded that “terrorism can never be justified under any circumstances.”

Lee continued, bringing up the possibility that Israel might withdraw to its pre-1967 borders. “Do you view that as a tenable solution?” he asked Hagel. “Do you believe such borders are militarily defensible?”

This went on and on. In fact, Lee—by himself—made reference to Israel and its security a total of 16 times.

Why is this important? It’s important because Lee never mentioned Afghanistan and the 66,000 U.S. troops at war there.

And Lee was not alone."

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2013/02/04/just-who-do-they-represent-at-hagel-hearing-concern-for-israel-tops-u-s-troops-in-combat/#ixzz2JxTrBtbK


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Reply Just Who Do They Represent: At Hagel Hearing, Concern for Israel Tops U.S. Troops in Combat (Original post)
Scurrilous Feb 2013 OP
Lionessa Feb 2013 #1
shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #15
Scurrilous Feb 2013 #16
shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #18
shaayecanaan Feb 2013 #19
Scurrilous Feb 2013 #21
delrem Feb 2013 #22
Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #24
think Feb 2013 #2
oberliner Feb 2013 #3
DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #4
Inuca Feb 2013 #5
oberliner Feb 2013 #6
delrem Feb 2013 #23
azurnoir Feb 2013 #7
Scootaloo Feb 2013 #8
azurnoir Feb 2013 #9
Scootaloo Feb 2013 #10
Scurrilous Feb 2013 #11
oldhippydude Feb 2013 #28
Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #12
azurnoir Feb 2013 #13
Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #14
azurnoir Feb 2013 #20
delrem Feb 2013 #17
R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #25
King_David Feb 2013 #26
R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #27

Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:06 PM

1. I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this. I guess the Onion satire may be truer than we thought.

 

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:12 PM

16. A Cultural Breakthrough

After being banished from earnest Washington discussion for decades by various press gate-keepers, the absurdly overblown power of the Greater Israel lobby is now seeping into the popular culture. SNL captures the lunacy:



http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/02/11/a-cultural-breakthrough/

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:41 PM

18. Well, they didnt show it

still, its getting some views on the interwebs

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:47 PM

19. Btw, thanks for posting the video

not possible to watch hulu videos outside of the US, so its appreciated.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:53 PM

21. ‘SNL’ Lands in Hot Water With Anti-Defamation League Over Hagel Sketch

An unaired sketch, posted online by NBC, lampoons the Defense secretary nominee’s Senate grilling—and, the ADL’s Abraham Foxman tells Lloyd Grove, reinforces the notion that Israel controls the government.

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"An unaired sketch from the Feb. 9 Saturday Night Live, lampooning beleaguered Secretary of Defense nominee Chuck Hagel’s confirmation hearing and the alleged influence of the pro-Israel lobby on the United States Senate, has prompted criticism from a group whose mission is fighting anti-Semitism.

The national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham H. Foxman, slammed the sketch—which wasn’t part of the live show but was released online by NBC—for potentially perpetuating anti-Semitic stereotypes.

NBC and SNL offered no response on Monday to Foxman’s complaint and usually don’t comment on the frequent criticisms of SNL’s comedy.

In the six-minute sketch, performed at SNL’s dress rehearsal, Hagel (played deadpan by Jason Sudeikis is grilled mercilessly by South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham (a drawling Bill Hader) about his published statement that the interests of the United States and Israel are not always identical. “Is this a typo?” Graham/Hader demands. “Are my eyes deceiving me? Does he think that our interests and those of Israel could ever be different?” And so on and so forth, as Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee fall all over themselves to prove their slavish devotion to the Jewish state.

The sketch culminates when a crotchety “Sen. John McCain” insists that Hagel answer a hypothetical question: would he agree to “go on national television and perform oral sex on a donkey” if Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu determined it was vital to Israel’s security? When Hagel says no, McCain declares that he can’t vote to confirm him."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/11/snl-lands-in-hot-water-with-anti-defamation-league-over-hagel-sketch.html

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:42 PM

22. Then US Congress is next!

Since the SNL sketch didn't come close to that level of absurdity.
The US Congress show was painful to watch and the SNL skit didn't make it easier to choke down.

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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:24 PM

24. Abe is an idiot, he should have said nothing..he just secured the control he claims the Israel Lobby

does not have.

And then there's this gem: It makes no difference, he said, that Michaels and many of the show’s writers and staffers happen to be Jewish. “That doesn’t excuse their insensitivity and their playing on stereotypes and selling stereotypes and forcing stereotypes,” he said.

Yea, it's what they live for..has nothing to do with reality.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:07 PM

2. Great chart. Very telling.... /nt

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:26 PM

3. The chart is a lie

Good for the usual crowd, I guess.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:33 PM

4. How is that?

Just curious.

Would/could The Nation get it so wrong?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:14 PM

5. what do you mean? n/t

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Response to Inuca (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:51 PM

6. Check out the hearings

Look at when they are asking about Israel and when they are asking about Afghanistan. The latter is often referenced without using the name of the country.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:46 PM

23. I checked out the hearings, oberliner.

If it were a parody it'd still be over the top. It doesn't make a lick of sense that it was real.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:50 PM

7. the question is why is Israel even an issue in a domestic appointment?

Iran as it relates to the US is understandable, but why is Israel's security an issue here? The simple fact that Israel is an ally doesn't quite cut it, so are many countries but their security was not mentioned, so why Israel?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:21 PM

8. Because Israel is that slovenly guy still living in his parents' basement

He doesn't pay rent, but he does raid the fridge; his parents try to treat him like an adult, but frankly he dominates their lives like a very large infant that smells of sweat and doritos.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:33 PM

9. oh the mental picture that brings

Bibi in t-shirt clutching a bag of Dorito's peering into the light of a computer screen in an otherwise dark room

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:41 PM

10. I betcha I know what his DU handle is! n/t

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:48 AM

11. ...

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:48 PM

28. every time i hear Mc Cain on Israel

I flash back to Mc Cain, and John Hagee the preacher, with his mixture of Christian fundamentalism, and Zionism... in 2000 Mc Cain thought he was nuts, and so stated.... in 2008 he actively courted Hagee's favor, trading in the straight talk express to match the Republican base... it sounds lie Mc Cain has adopted the right wing view as our foreign policy...

my guess is that those questions on Israel are more for the base than Hagel

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:41 PM

12. A Case of Hagelophobia and God Bless the Republicans:

Shame on Jewish Democrats

Op-ed: Republican senators were the only ones who passionately grilled Hagel on his lack of support for Israel

Shoula Romano Horing
Published: 02.11.13, 11:46

Watching the Chuck Hagel US Senate confirmation hearings for secretary of defense, I almost became physically sick. To watch my fellow Jewish senators, all liberal Democrats, suck up to Obama and Hagel with softball questions against the interests of their own people and Israel was more than I could handle. The spectacle of southern Republicans senators, with almost no Jewish constituents in their states, standing up for the Jewish people and Israel against Hagel's evasive and nonsensical responses, while fellow Jews sat idly by, will stick with me for a long time.


Bless the Republicans for doing what is right while shame on my fellow Jews for not learning from history. The actions of these Jewish Democrats concerning the Hagel nomination do not bode well for the future of our people or Israel.


Committee chairman, Democratic Jewish Senator Carl Levin, who prior to the hearing had already indicated his support for Hagel's nomination by calling him "well qualified, included in his opening remarks only a reference to Hagel's "troubling statements" concerning Iran without specifics or follow up, with not even one mention of Israel. During the hearing it was Levin who called Hagel "a person of integrity" and came to his rescue when Hagel was confused about US policy regarding Iran and containment.

The other Jewish senator on the committee, Richard Blumenthal, totally ignored Hagel's record concerning Israel and only murmured his dismay that a man who had served the country had to endure strong inquiries from the Republicans. After the hearings, he stated that he would support Hagel despite the fact that most observers believed that Hagel looked confused, uninformed, and ill equipped for the position during the hearing.


It was the Republicans who were the first and only senators who challenged Hagel's previous statement on the Jewish lobby. "The political reality is … that the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here,” Hagel told former Mideast peace negotiator Aaron David Miller in a 2006 interview. “I have always argued against some of the dumb things they do because I don’t think it’s in the interest of Israel. I just don’t think it’s smart for Israel.” Senator Roger Wicker, a Mississippi Republican, pressed Hagel on whether he still believes that is true.

in full: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4343538,00.html

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:10 PM

13. seems to forget that these Democratic Senator's being shamed

are Americans and as such vote in America's interests not Israel's

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:48 PM

14. I agree. I posted it as the author just puts its out there, no holds barred.

Hagel should be scheduled to accompany Obama on his trip to Israel, I think.

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:08 AM

20. That would be interesting indeed

and would make an impression too

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:18 PM

17. Word use: "Israel" 7 times, "Jewish" 12 times

Articles like this promote the view that if a person is Jewish, then regardless of their country of citizenship their primary allegiance ought to be to Israel. Apparently ynet doesn't mind promoting that view even though many would say that it contributes to a racist meme. A word that comes to mind is "whipsaw", esp. w.r.t. I/P debates.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:08 PM

25. Seeing how Hagel was confirmed


do those who call him an ant-semite believe that PBO is one as well?

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:24 PM

26. Poor question for those who called Hagel Homophobic too nt

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Response to King_David (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:45 PM

27. The clown in the article thinks it is important.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/adelson-calls-hagel-anti-semitic-confirmation-shameful

Adelson Calls Hagel ‘Anti-Semitic,’ Confirmation ‘Shameful’

Casino mogul and top Republican donor Sheldon Adelson believes the nomination and now confirmation of Chuck Hagel as defense secretary is "shameful" due to his "associations," according to Nevada reporter Jon Ralston. Adelson also called Hagel "anti-Semitic."

Ralston had a chance encounter with Adelson Tuesday afternoon and picked his brain about Hagel.

He then launched into a mini-rant about Hagel, saying he can’t believe “this president” would have chosen someone who had made some of the statements he has made. Later, Adelson wryly suggested that after Hagel is confirmed, “He’s going to convert to Judaism” to show good faith. Then, Adelson added, “He’ll move to Israel.”

Adelson recounted that he had been talking to Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday evening, but wouldn't relay what Netanyahu had said to him.


I would love to have been a fly on the wall with the Sheldon/BiBi call. How many times do you believe that PBOs name was brought up?

I'm sure Sheldon was just gushing over the 2-termer.

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