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Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:43 PM

Israeli envoy calls divisive settlement plan a politically necessary reprisal

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Israel’s recent decision to proceed with plans for settlement construction in a hypersensitive strip of occupied land east of Jerusalem was meant as a signal to Palestinian leaders that Israel will not let provocative actions go unpunished, the Israeli ambassador to Washington said Tuesday.

Speaking at a Monitor-hosted lunch with reporters, Ambassador Michael Oren placed the announcement of plans for settlement construction in the so-called “E1” tract of land in the context of the Palestinians’ successful bid Nov. 29 for enhanced United Nations status.

“We felt if the Palestinians were taking unilateral action in the UN, we had to also send the message that we could take unilateral actions,” he said.

Ambassador Oren addressed the E1 controversy in a wide-ranging discussion in which he described life for Israel in a Middle East of widespread upheaval and conflict as both “the worst of times” and – surprisingly – also “the best of times.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/monitor_breakfast/2012/1211/Israeli-envoy-calls-divisive-settlement-plan-a-politically-necessary-reprisal?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feeds%2Fusa+%28Christian+Science+Monitor+

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Reply Israeli envoy calls divisive settlement plan a politically necessary reprisal (Original post)
bemildred Dec 2012 OP
azurnoir Dec 2012 #1
bemildred Dec 2012 #2
hack89 Dec 2012 #5
kayecy Dec 2012 #6
hack89 Dec 2012 #8
kayecy Dec 2012 #12
hack89 Dec 2012 #13
kayecy Dec 2012 #24
hack89 Dec 2012 #25
bemildred Dec 2012 #9
hack89 Dec 2012 #10
kayecy Dec 2012 #11
bemildred Dec 2012 #14
hack89 Dec 2012 #18
bemildred Dec 2012 #20
hack89 Dec 2012 #21
bemildred Dec 2012 #23
shaayecanaan Dec 2012 #3
bemildred Dec 2012 #15
Alamuti Lotus Dec 2012 #4
bemildred Dec 2012 #17
oberliner Dec 2012 #19
oberliner Dec 2012 #7
bemildred Dec 2012 #16
shaayecanaan Dec 2012 #22
oberliner Dec 2012 #26
azurnoir Dec 2012 #27

Response to bemildred (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:21 PM

1. okay so the E1 plans were necessary to show the Palestinians Israel too

had the ability to make 'unilateral' moves, well gosh I had thought Israel did that every time it build oops added 'natural' growth to one of its settlements or staked out yet more state land or transferred more Palestinians out of Area C , but nope it needs to do this to show the Palestinians who's boss

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:16 PM

2. I was surprised to see it made so explicit that it was a reprisal for disobedience. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:28 PM

5. They did say in advance that there would be repercussions.

there should have been no surprises.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:14 AM

6. It sounds as though you approve of Israel's reprisals?..............n/t

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Response to kayecy (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:38 AM

8. That's quite a stretch

considering I merely pointed out that Israel had warned Abbas prior to the UN action.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:36 AM

12. Which begs my question...Do you or don't you approve?.......

Which begs my question...Do you or don't you approve?.......Saying something is quite a stretch is merely hiding behind words......If you approve of Israel's actions in pushing ahead with building, why not say so?

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Response to kayecy (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:46 AM

13. I don't support it.

I support a 2 state solution with the settlements withdrawn. Untangling Jerusalem will be a mess however.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:02 PM

24. Thank you for that clarification, I only asked because....

Thank you for that clarification, I only asked because....I don't think any Zionist members have posted on this thread (with the possible exception of yourself and oberliner) which makes you wonder what the others think.

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Response to kayecy (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:26 PM

25. I am not a Zionist. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:08 AM

9. Saying what you are going to do in advance does not make immoral actions somehow moral.

If that's the PA's money, then not giving it to them "as agreed" is theft. The PA was under no obligation to not seek anything they like at the UN, or to not win their point there. Furthermore, Bibi and Co. are just making the Palestinians point for them globally about the unfairness and dishonesty of Israels dealings with the Palestinians.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:17 AM

10. All I said was that it was no surprise

nothing more nothing less.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:31 AM

11. Self deleted.......

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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:07 AM

14. And all I'm saying is it's quite predictable, that's how these guys think.

They are scared to death of looking "weak", because in fact they are weak.

And punishing the guy (Abbas) that wants to make an agreement and get along because he went to the UN looking for a bit of leverage seems most unlikely to lead to a secure "Jewish State" in the mid-East, it's more like a recipe for perpetual war and eventual defeat.

Edit: so OK, no surprise at all.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:30 AM

18. I think that Israel should sit back - they don't have to do anything at all

This entire UN gambit is a huge risk for Abbas as there is no reason to believe that Hamas supports anything that will enhance the PA's prestige. If all this does is emphasizes how "Palestine" is really two separate and hostile entities then it has not made things better. If all that happens is that Abbas is exposed as weak and impotent then it is a defeat for the Palestinians.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:52 AM

20. Abbas is weak and impotent, it's no illusion, this was an attempt to regain some sort of relevance.

If Bibi prefers Hamas, that's what he is going to get.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:01 AM

21. I can't see how Bibi can help Abbas with Hamas

short of killing them (not that I am endorsing that idea). Nor is it Israel's responsibility to mediate between Abbas and Hamas.

Hamas will attempt to blow up any deal Abbas makes with Israel. Israel will not deal with Abbas if Hamas is attacking Israel.

Hamas needs to be dealt with. I don't know what the answer is but a three way conflict merely reinforces the status quo.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:26 AM

23. Good luck. nt

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 08:26 PM

3. Building settlements in order to punish the Palestinians...

I think most sane and reasonable types have realised this for some time, but it certainly is rather startling to hear it stated so baldly by an Israeli ambassador.

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:08 AM

15. Yes, it was the bald statement of the agenda that I found interesting.

That tone deafness about how they sound is a hallmark of Bibi's regime.

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Response to bemildred (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:03 PM

4. rather blatent about this stuff lately..

 

I suppose they know that few really tangible consequences--a few strongly-worded letters notwithstanding!--would ever be forthcoming from the US/EU, so why not?

This diplomat chump Oren--wasn't he the guy who recently compared the Gaza rockets to be "the modern equivalent of the London Blitz"?

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:13 AM

17. Yes, not the first example, it's like a pattern.

Hmm ...

Could this have anything to do with Israel's "growing isolation"?

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:34 AM

19. No, he didn't

That was Daniel Taub.

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Response to bemildred (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:11 AM

7. 22 January 2013

Hopefully Israeli voters will make a wiser choice.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:10 AM

16. +1. nt

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Response to oberliner (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:07 AM

22. Unlikely

T'will be right wing governments as far as the eye can see.

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:16 PM

26. I disagree

Assuming Hamas (or Islamic Jihad, or another group) doesn't pull off some kind of horrific terrorist attack right before the election, I think there is a strong possibility that we will see Likud and company kicked out of office.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:22 PM

27. well one can hope however

Israeli polls show the Rightist/Religious block holding on to a solid 54-55% majority of the vote with Likud Beiteinu still holding by far the largest block of voters at 32%

http://972mag.com/polls/

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