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Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:50 AM

Not Breaking: Hamas Exploits Gullible Journalists

Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren implores Americans to recognize Hamas' manipulation of the media.

<Washington Post article excerpt>

On a mildly related note, I pushed back at a similar narrative in a recent Huffington Post live segment. (Skip ahead to around 18:00 for the specific segment). We also wrote on Wednesday about the media being hoodwinked by Hamas.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/29/not-breaking-hamas-exploits-guillible-journalists.html

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Reply Not Breaking: Hamas Exploits Gullible Journalists (Original post)
oberliner Nov 2012 OP
wellst0nev0ter Nov 2012 #1
KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #2
oberliner Nov 2012 #3
KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #5
JDPriestly Nov 2012 #8
azurnoir Nov 2012 #9
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #14
azurnoir Dec 2012 #15
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #13
msongs Nov 2012 #4
King_David Nov 2012 #10
bunnies Nov 2012 #6
azurnoir Nov 2012 #7
oberliner Nov 2012 #11
azurnoir Nov 2012 #12
shira Dec 2012 #19
kayecy Dec 2012 #16
oberliner Dec 2012 #17
kayecy Dec 2012 #18

Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:13 AM

1. Invest In Bomb Shelters

and Hamas exonerated for investing in bombs rather than bomb shelters.


They're not even trying anymore.

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Response to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:29 AM

2. Like the people of Gaza would ever be given such luxuries!

 

Bomb SHELTERS allowed through the Israeli-controlled illegal blockade? But wouldn't that defeat the purpose? If Israel's goal wasn't to punish the collective population: Bomb Shelters would be available to Palestinians in Gaza already! Thus limiting the loss of life. That sounds exceedingly sensible and fair and therefore utterly alien to this right-wing Zionist government currently in charge of Israel.

Sad, but true.

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Response to KimonoGirl (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:38 AM

3. How do rockets and launchers get through the Israeli-controlled illegal blockade?

What if Hamas devoted whatever resources they are now using to acquire materials for rockets towards acquiring materials for bomb shelters?

Or, alternatively, they can give up shooting rockets at Israel altogether. Maybe that would completely alleviate the need for bomb shelters. Thus limiting the loss of life.

That sounds exceedingly sensible and fair and therefore utterly alien to this right-wing Hamas government currently in charge of Gaza.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:39 PM

5. This deserves a breakdown.

 

What if Hamas devoted whatever resources they are now using to acquire materials for rockets towards acquiring materials for bomb shelters?

It would require a considerable amount more of whatever resources they have to achieve that. I'm sure Israel would be right there obstructing every effort to do so. "Hey the whole World, look over there! Those terrorists are building tunnels to smuggle weapons NOT bomb shelters! We have to act now and bomb those tunnels pretending to be bomb shelters immediately!" Old habits. Die hard. Assuming the right-wing Israeli government would be an honest broker in allowing such a thing? Oh please, we know they're not.

Or, alternatively, they can give up shooting rockets at Israel altogether.

Which they have in the past for periods of time that have lead to what....? More acts of war against Palestine even when they stop the rockets. There is NO progress in lifting the siege, no it's just getting stronger and more deadly. Israel continues the settlement production on disputed land like a merciless cancer. The siege on Gaza continues with or without rocket attacks. Lets get real.

Maybe that would completely alleviate the need for bomb shelters. Thus limiting the loss of life.

What a fairytale world you must languish in so ignorantly blissful of something so unimportant as Reality.

That sounds exceedingly sensible and fair and therefore utterly alien to this right-wing Hamas government currently in charge of Gaza.

Now we're getting somewhere. RadicalSuicidalHamas/ZionistRightWingIsraeliGov... one in the same. Just as screwed up and useless as eachother. Get rid of both of them.

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Response to KimonoGirl (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:43 PM

8. "settlement production on disputed land"

Ah, a key to the problem and to the solution for the problem. "disputed land." There is dispute. So why don't the Palestinians offer some reasonable suggestions for settling the dispute, some that don't place Palestinian people on what is recognized as Israeli land.

Now there is an idea.

And who knows. If it were put into practice, maybe in a couple of decades, neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis would need rockets or bomb shelter (except to protect themselves from the Iranians and maybe some of the Syrians).

Palestinians need to grow up and understand that it is their choice: more war and less land or peace and co-existence. The US will make sure that Israel complies with a fair agreement. It's up to the Palestinians.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:04 PM

9. "that don't place Palestinian people on what is recognized as Israeli land."

what 'recognized' Israeli land is that?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:03 AM

14. If the Palestinians disagree as to whose land it is, then they

need to sit down and negotiate that point. And while they are negotiating it and long, long afterwards, they need to enforce peace at their own borders. Then others can enforce the peace on the Israeli border.

But the two sides have to agree on what those borders are first. Until then, there will most likely be more war and more settlements, more pain, more loss.

Negotiating peace is the only solution. And then each side must enforce the negotiated agreement. There is no hope unless that happens.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:12 AM

15. my question was exactly what recognized as Israel's land are you speaking of ?

Israel inside the green line or the West Bank?

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Response to KimonoGirl (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:47 PM

13. There are plenty of bomb shelters in Gaza ...

 

... for the Hamas elite -- those who claim they would rather die than give in always run to them when they start trouble -- leaving the women and children of Gaza to fend for themselves.

How did the materials to build THIS luxury hotel -- built to house visiting dignitaries and gullible journalists -- make it through the "Israeli-controlled illegal blockade"?





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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:15 PM

4. the Israelites wrote the book on exploiting gullible journalists and have no right to complain nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:47 PM

10. Nope,

Was not the Israelites ,it was the Canaanites.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:12 PM

6. Might as well replace "Hamas" with "Politicians".

They all do it.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 02:24 PM

7. well somebodies attempting to exploit someones gulliblity

that is a certainty

this part is indeed interesting too

One reason is the enlarged images of destruction and civilian casualties in Gaza that dominated the front pages of U.S. publications. During this operation, The Post published multiple front-page photographs of Palestinian suffering. The New York Times even juxtaposed a photograph of the funeral of Hamas commander Ahmed Jabari, who was responsible for the slaughter of dozens of innocent Israelis, with that of a pregnant Israeli mother murdered by Hamas. Other photos, supplied by the terrorists and picked up by the press, identified children killed by Syrian forces or even by Hamas itself as victims of Israeli strikes.


so Hamas is executing children for press purposes?

oh and didn't Israel very recently get caught faking some photos?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:19 PM

11. "so Hamas is executing children for press purposes? "

You actually think that is what the paragraph is saying? Seriously?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:30 PM

12. Last sentence of the snip I posted

Other photos, supplied by the terrorists and picked up by the press, identified children killed by Syrian forces or even by Hamas itself as victims of Israeli strikes.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:24 AM

16. Israel imploring Americans to recognize manipulation of the media!.......

Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren implores Americans to recognize Hamas' manipulation of the media.


And not a mention of the manipulation of the media by:

AIPAC
Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations
Washington Institute for Near East Policy
American Enterprise Institute
Hudson Institute
CAMERA

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Response to kayecy (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:56 AM

17. Media manipulation is a major problem

Many on the left who are well aware of media manipulation in the West would do well to be aware of it when it comes from the leadership of Hamas and their supporters as well.

For some reason, there are folks who seem very attuned to such media manipulation from some corners, but then do not use a similarly critical eye when evaluating information from others.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 06:06 AM

18. Perhaps you think the Israeli lobby do not use the resources available to them?........

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Many on the left who are well aware of media manipulation in the West would do well to be aware of it when it comes from the leadership of Hamas and their supporters as well.

I'm not sure who you are meaning by "Many on the left".

Do you have a specific incident of media manipulation by Hamas in mind?



When it comes to manipulation of the media in Washington, you can't seriously think that the resources available to Hamas for media manipulation are anything like the resources available to the Israeli lobby?.......Or perhaps you think they don't use them?........Or their media connections?

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