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Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:50 PM

"Nowhere to Run": Israel Fires Over 500 Strikes in Gaza, Civilian Toll Grows in Humanitarian Crisis

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http://www.zcommunications.org/nowhere-to-run-israel-fires-over-500-strikes-in-gaza-civilian-toll-grows-in-humanitarian-crisis-by-mohammed-omer

"Israel is continuing to pound the Gaza Strip with air strikes amidst fears that Israel could soon launch a ground invasion into Gaza. Israeli troops, tanks and armored personnel carriers are now massing near the Palestinian territory. Earlier today, 85 missiles exploded within 45 minutes in Gaza City, sending black pillars of smoke. At least 21 Palestinians have died in the most recent round of violence, while three Israelis died on Thursday. Israel said it launched 150 air strikes overnight, while Palestinians fired a dozen rockets into Israel. Israel has started to draft 30,000 reserve troops in a sign the assault may soon widen. Among the casualties of Israeli violence was the 11-month-old son of a BBC Arabic journalist, Jihad Misharawi. Egyptian Prime Minister Hisham Kandil traveled to Gaza today to condemn the Israeli attack. For more, we get a report from Rafah by Palestinian journalist Mohammed Omer, who says, "One thing that we ought to talk about here is the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip. This is a situation of targeting a population of civilians, exactly like Israel is shooting in a fishbowl. And there is no shelter, and there is nowhere to run for the general population. Gaza is living in a very dire situation." We also speak with Gershon Baskin, the founder of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information, who was the initiator of the secret talks between Israel and Hamas for the release of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit."


http://www.demotix.com/hub/israel-palestine-conflict

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Reply "Nowhere to Run": Israel Fires Over 500 Strikes in Gaza, Civilian Toll Grows in Humanitarian Crisis (Original post)
polly7 Nov 2012 OP
leveymg Nov 2012 #1
teddy51 Nov 2012 #2
oberliner Nov 2012 #7
libodem Nov 2012 #3
polly7 Nov 2012 #5
libodem Nov 2012 #6
oberliner Nov 2012 #8
polly7 Nov 2012 #10
oberliner Nov 2012 #20
polly7 Nov 2012 #21
oberliner Nov 2012 #9
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #11
oberliner Nov 2012 #16
polly7 Nov 2012 #12
azurnoir Nov 2012 #13
oberliner Nov 2012 #15
polly7 Nov 2012 #19
oberliner Nov 2012 #14
polly7 Nov 2012 #17
oberliner Nov 2012 #18
polly7 Nov 2012 #22
oberliner Nov 2012 #23
polly7 Nov 2012 #24
oberliner Nov 2012 #25
polly7 Nov 2012 #26
oberliner Nov 2012 #28
polly7 Nov 2012 #29
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #30
polly7 Nov 2012 #32
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #34
polly7 Nov 2012 #39
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #40
libodem Nov 2012 #4
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #31
polly7 Nov 2012 #35
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #36
polly7 Nov 2012 #38
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #41
polly7 Nov 2012 #42
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #44
Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #27
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #33
polly7 Nov 2012 #37
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #43
polly7 Nov 2012 #45
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #46
polly7 Nov 2012 #47

Response to polly7 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:04 PM

1. If Israel landed 150 airstrikes and 85 missiles - "at least 21 Palestinians have died"? At least.

Masterful understatement there.

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Response to polly7 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:29 PM

2. I'm wanting to know when the rest of the world is going to get sick of this shit

 

and do something serious about it. Instead of just talking, some strong countries can stand up and do something.

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Response to teddy51 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:04 PM

7. Like what?

What would you like to see happen?

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Response to polly7 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:33 PM

3. OMG

Polly this is awful. I'm an atheist at heart but when there is nothing else to do but pray for peace and resolution, I guess that is what I will do.

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Response to libodem (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:00 PM

5. Yes, it's such an awful, helpless feeling watching this.

Mass punishment on an imprisoned people, it's hard to comprehend the cruelty of it, isn't it?




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Response to polly7 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:00 PM

6. Mans inhumanity to man

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Response to polly7 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:05 PM

8. Do you really believe the things you are writing?

There isn't a word in what you wrote that isn't false.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:13 PM

10. Yeah, or I wouldn't write it.



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Response to polly7 (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:27 PM

20. It's hard to fathom

But I guess it shouldn't be entirely surprising.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:30 PM

21. What's hard to fathom?

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And what isn't surprising to you? You called me a liar ........ spell out for me, what did I lie about? I said that collective punishment against an imprisoned people is an incomprehensible cruelty. That you disagree is just disgusting.

"The other difference is that, unlike Nissim and his family, most people in Gaza have nowhere else to flee. And the reason that they must live under the rain of bombs in one of the most densely populated areas on earth is because Israel – and to a lesser extent Egypt – has sealed the borders to create a prison for them.

Israel has denied Gaza a port, control of its airspace and the right of its inhabitants to move to the other Palestinian territory recognised by the Oslo accords, the West Bank. It is not, as Israel’s supporters allege, that Hamas is hiding among Palestinian civilians; rather, Israel has forced Palestinian civilians to live in a tiny strip of land that Israel turned into a war zone."


http://www.zcommunications.org/why-gaza-must-suffer-again-by-jonathan-cook

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Response to libodem (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:05 PM

9. Try to seek out additional sources as well

The OP is not a neutral journalist.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:19 PM

11. Have you seen many neutral journalists on this issue?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:57 PM

16. Fair point

But I do think there are some who try.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:38 PM

12. I can see your problem with him, he's Palestinian.

Awards

In 2008, Omer was awarded the 2007 Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism. In the award citation, Omer was honored as "the voice of the voiceless" and his reports were described as an "humane record of the injustice imposed on a community forgotten by much of the world.". Noam Chomsky said he had been following Omer's work for several years, and was pleased to learn of his award, "an honor that he richly deserves." He went on, he "...has continued his work with courage and integrity. It is no exaggeration to say that he can serve as a model of honorable journalism,". He was also awarded the Ossietzky Prize by Norwegian P.E.N in 2009. Norwegian P.E.N is a branch of P.E.N International. The Prize was awarded for "outstanding achievements within the field of free expression". He was also given an honorable mention in Pulse Media's 20 Top Global Media Figures of 2009.

“Best Youth Voice” (2006).
Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism (2008)
Ossietzky Prize (2009)
Press Freedom Prize (2009)

Omer was raised in the Rafah refugee camp at the southern end of the Gaza Strip near the Egyptian border. Mohammed began working to support his family at age six when his father was in an Israeli prison. In time, he landed a job at a backpack factory and since then has built an impressive resume as a translator, journalist, and program coordinator."

Mohammed graduated with dual Bachelor degrees, English and Literature, from the Islamic University of Gaza in June 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Omer


"Mohammed Omer was returning home from Europe with great pride, having been distinguished with the Martha Gellhorn Prize for Journalism. The prize is given every year with great fanfare to frontline reporters who take great risks to report their stories.

Omer, who is also the recipient of the New America Media's Best Youth Voice Award, was detained on his way back from Europe, trying to cross back home into the Gaza strip via Jordan and the West Bank. Omer, knowing the dangers he would face coming back from Gaza, had the assistance of the Dutch diplomatic core in the West Bank to escort him back through Israel into the northern Gaza strip's Erez crossing.

But even this proved to be a worthless effort -- at the Allenby crossing between Jordan and the occupied West Bank, Omer was detained, humiliated, interrogated, beaten and tortured, according to Omer, by Israeli Shin Bet agents. What follows is a Flashpoints interview with Mohammed Omer from his hospital bed in central Gaza, where he was finally transported after he received critical wounds, including fractured ribs and an injured trachea, from the Israeli forces."


Mohammed Omer: If I want the message, it should go first to the Israeli secret police. I tell them, before I’m Palestinian, I’m a human being. And they should judge me and they treat me as a human being, as a human being that deserves to live in dignity and be well treated. I feel sorry that they treat me badly. They torture me. I was hoping that they would make it easy for me because I’m getting the truth out of Gaza. But obviously, as someone told me, they don’t want me back in Gaza because the Israeli agent said to me, “If I knew that you would be coming back to Gaza, I wouldn’t have let you out in the first place.” For the Committee of Journalists’ Protection, I appeal to them to protect the rights of journalists. We are being abused, we are being tortured, arrested, and some are even killed. And no one cares. We are all human beings. Enough is enough.. It’s time to move, to protect freedom of exhibition, to protect journalists simply because they are telling the truth and getting the message across. We are not with any party of this conflict. We are just reporting the truth as it is. And we will continue to do so.


http://www.zcommunications.org/award-willing-palestinian-journalist-mohammed-omer-detained-strip-searched-and-beaten-by-israeli-occupation-security-forces-on-his-return-to-illegally-occupied-gaza-by-mohammed-omer

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Response to polly7 (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:41 PM

13. I knew the name was familiar

from your wiki link

In 2008, while traveling back to the Gaza Strip via Allenby Bridge to the West Bank, Omer reported that he was stripped to his underwear, humiliated and beaten by Israeli soldiers while traveling into the West Bank from Jordan. According to a United Nations report, Mohammed Omer is convinced that the brutal assault occurred when the security services were frustrated at their inability to confiscate the money he had been awarded.


He was subsequently hospitalized upon his return to Gaza, where it was discovered that Omer had sustained several broken ribs and various bodily contusions as a result of the ordeal. Omer has recovered since and has been able to maintain his position as a journalist. The government of The Netherlands, who had sent a diplomat to welcome Omer and accompany him to Gaza, lodged an official protest with Israel about Omer's mistreatment. Israel's Government Press Office said in a statement that Omer was never subjected to physical or mental abuse. It said his account was full of contradictions and was "without foundation".


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Response to azurnoir (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:57 PM

15. Thank you for highlighting that

If anyone has legitimate reasons not to be neutral, it's him.

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:13 PM

19. Or course the Israel Gov. Press Office would say it was without foundation.

After he received the Martha Gellhorn Prize in June 2008 Mohammed Omer travelled back to the Gaza Strip via the West Bank, Omer reported that he was stripped to his underwear, humiliated and beaten by Israeli soldiers while travelling into the West Bank from Jordan. According to a United Nations report, Mohammed Omer is convinced that the brutal assault occurred when the security services were frustrated at their inability to confiscate the money he’d been awarded. He was subsequently hospitalized upon his return to Gaza, where it was discovered that Omer had sustained severe damage to the spine and ribs and various bodily contusions as a result of the ordeal.

Since November 2008 Mohammed Omer has been in the Netherlands receiving medical treatments for his injuries.

The Reporters Without Borders Press Freedom Prize 2008 will be officially awarded to Mohammed Omer on 17th of February 2009. The prize ceremony takes place in the International Press Centre at the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, in Stockholm.


http://pulsemedia.org/2009/02/14/mohammed-omer-wins-reporters-without-borders-journalism-award/

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Response to polly7 (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:56 PM

14. There are lots of neutral Palestinian and Israeli journalists

He is not one of them. He doesn't even attempt to be neutral.

Try to read something about him outside of Wikipedia or his bio.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:58 PM

17. Try telling someone else what to read,

I don't take your fucking orders.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:59 PM

18. I'm not giving any orders

And I was telling someone else what to read. Suggesting they look at other sources.

You are welcome to stick to biased sources exclusively if you so choose.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:32 PM

22. Wrong.

"Try to read something about him outside of Wikipedia or his bio." Don't bullshit.

And yes, I'll stick to any sources I please. Thankfully they include articles and contributors I respect from all sides. You however, seem to be a bit limited.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:36 PM

23. It's a suggestion

You don't have to try if you don't want to. I thought it might help you understand him better - where he is coming from, and why he is justifiably biased.

I am certainly open to suggestions with respect to sources - I try to read across a very wide spectrum - including from those I don't respect all that much (but take their opinions accordingly).

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Response to oberliner (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:42 PM

24. And?

My opinion is, he's a fine reporter and is only putting forth the same facts as are here as in many other threads already. I also try to read across a very wide spectrum. I don't need your 'help'.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:21 PM

25. Alrighty then

That helps me understand where you are coming from.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:24 PM

26. Blah, blah, blah.

So far, that's about all you've added to this thread.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:07 PM

28. Hopefully others reading this exchange will disagree

If any such being exists!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:24 PM

29. Because it's all about trying to distract from the real horrors. Exactly.

The only things you've added are to call me a liar and a decorated journalist not worth reading. And who are you again? You seem to have a real problem with information getting out that hasn't been propagandized and twisted to make this a lot less ugly. Too bad.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:40 PM

30. "decorated journalist"?

 

Did he win the "Distinguished Typing Cross"? or the "Twitter Medal of Honour"?

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:43 PM

32. Pardon me. An 'award winning journalist'.

Ok by you?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:46 PM

34. Helen Thomas was an "award winning journalist" ...

 

... what's she doing these days?

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:51 PM

39. No clue.

Why, you looking for her?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:56 PM

40. Nah ... I'm already married

 

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Response to polly7 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:35 PM

4. And pray for both sides to have wisdom

Oh please, dear God....

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Response to libodem (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:42 PM

31. Didn't you claim to be an athiest in a previous thread?

 

I guess that just proves the old adage -- "There are no atheists in discussion boards"

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:47 PM

35. If you're going to attack people on their beliefs, at least try to get what they've said straight.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=21958

It was this thread.

libodem (9,524 posts)
3. OMG

"Polly this is awful. I'm an atheist at heart but when there is nothing else to do but pray for peace and resolution, I guess that is what I will do."


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Response to polly7 (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:49 PM

36. I don't attack anyone ...

 

... you might want to rethink those verbs.

Au contraire, I was just trying to keep track of his ever-changing belief system.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #36)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:50 PM

38. Yes you did.

But you couldn't even get your facts straight. Try harder next time.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:57 PM

41. If that is your idea of an attack ...

 

... I envy your naivete.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:00 PM

42. And I laugh at your dishonesty. nt.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:10 PM

44. Good ...

 

... sounds like you could use a larf.

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Response to polly7 (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:36 PM

27. More collective punishment from thieves.

 

Perhaps israel should stop stealing land and destroying property.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:45 PM

33. What land are you speaking of?

 

Israel stole Gaza? From whom?

Israel took Gaza from Egypt in '67, who stole it from the Palestinians in '48, in a war that Egypt started and subsequently returned it to the Palestinians in '05.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:49 PM

37. For Israel, imperialism isn’t enough

"So what of Gaza? What does it mean when Israel threatens, bombs, and kills to ensure its compliance? Its compliance with what?

Note that the territorial and demographic reality that is the Gaza Strip is itself, to begin, an ominous reflection of Israeli colonial strategy to date: “When transfer doesn’t work, concentration is tried.”

In 1948, the greater part of Palestine’s population was forcefully displaced beyond Israel’s pre-1967 sphere of control to clear the way for Israel’s anachronistic pioneering. A great number of the “transferred” ended up in the Gaza Strip. Their nearby existence quickly gave rise to an abiding Israeli wish: “If I believed in miracles,” declared David Ben-Gurion in an October 1956 Knesset speech, “I would pray that Gaza would be washed down into the sea.” After 1967, Gaza’s inhabitants not only remained above water but came under direct Israeli rule.

Several decades later, they surely aren’t taking up very much room. “Taken in isolation,” Darryl Li wrote in 2006, “the Gaza Strip is often described as one of the most densely populated places on earth: 1.4 million Palestinians crowded into 365 square kilometers. But in the broader Zionist calculus of minima and maxima, this fact can be redescribed as follows: some 25 percent of all Palestinians living under Israeli control have been confined to 1.4 percent of the territory of the British Mandate of Palestine.”

http://www.zcommunications.org/for-israel-imperialism-isn-t-enough-by-dan-freeman-maloy

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Response to polly7 (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:04 PM

43. Confused Definitions

 

"What does it mean when Israel threatens, bombs, and kills to ensure its compliance? Its compliance with what? "

It doesn't mean stealing. You can accuse Israelis of many things -- but, you can't accuse them of "stealing Gaza" when there isn't a single Jew in Gaza.

As for "Israel colonisation"? Well -- Jews are indigenous to the Palestine and have been there for pretty much all of recorded history. You can't colonise a place you've always been. The establishment of Israel wasn't colonisation, it was partition.

If you have a problem with partition, you might want to share some of your indignation for India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, North and South Korea, pretty much all of the Arab states and all of the former Yugoslavia.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:37 PM

45. The NEVER-ENDING theft of Palestinian land that has herded / transferred over a million and a

half people into the poverty, hopelessness and terror of Gaza.

http://fasttimesinpalestine.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/maps-of-israel-palestine/ - many interesting maps.



http://www.mintpress.net/this-land-is-their-land-the-continued-fight-over-palestine/

Impressions of Gaza

Noam Chomsky November 4, 2012

http://chomsky.info/articles/20121104.htm

Even a single night in jail is enough to give a taste of what it means to be under the total control of some external force. And it hardly takes more than a day in Gaza to begin to appreciate what it must be like to try to survive in the world’s largest open-air prison, where a million and a half people, in the most densely populated area of the world, are constantly subject to random and often savage terror and arbitrary punishment, with no purpose other than to humiliate and degrade, and with the further goal of ensuring that Palestinian hopes for a decent future will be crushed and that the overwhelming global support for a diplomatic settlement that will grant these rights will be nullified.


“What has to be kept in mind,” observes Raji Sourani, “is that the occupation and the absolute closure is an ongoing attack on the human dignity of the people in Gaza in particular and all Palestinians generally. It is systematic degradation, humiliation, isolation and fragmentation of the Palestinian people.” The conclusion is confirmed by many other sources. In one of the world’s leading medical journals, The Lancet, a visiting Stanford physician, appalled by what he witnessed, describes Gaza as “something of a laboratory for observing an absence of dignity,” a condition that has “devastating” effects on physical, mental, and social wellbeing. “The constant surveillance from the sky, collective punishment through blockade and isolation, the intrusion into homes and communications, and restrictions on those trying to travel, or marry, or work make it difficult to live a dignified life in Gaza.” The Araboushim must be taught not to raise their heads.


The effects are painfully evident. In the Khan Yunis hospital, the director, who is also chief of surgery, describes with anger and passion how even medicines are lacking for relief of suffering patients, as well as simple surgical equipment, leaving doctors helpless and patients in agony. Personal stories add vivid texture to the general disgust one feels at the obscenity of the harsh occupation. One example is the testimony of a young woman who despaired that her father, who would have been proud that she was the first woman in the refugee camp to gain an advanced degree, had “passed away after 6 months of fighting cancer aged 60 years. Israeli occupation denied him a permit to go to Israeli hospitals for treatment. I had to suspend my study, work and life and go to set next to his bed. We all sat including my brother the physician and my sister the pharmacist, all powerless and hopeless watching his suffering. He died during the inhumane blockade of Gaza in summer 2006 with very little access to health service. I think feeling powerless and hopeless is the most killing feeling that human can ever have. It kills the spirit and breaks the heart. You can fight occupation but you cannot fight your feeling of being powerless. You can't even dissolve that feeling.”



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elisabeth-braw/jimmy-carter-israelis-pol_b_2144182.html

Jimmy Carter: "Israelis' Policy Is to Confiscate Palestinian Territory"

Posted: 11/16/2012 1:04 pm

Israel's leaders don't want a Palestinian state, Carter tells Metro in an exclusive interview with Metro. Carter, who still conducts international negotiations and is now a member The Elders, won the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize. He just returned from a visit to the Middle East.

The chances of a Palestinian state are fading. Whose job is it to fix this situation?

The peace process has been pretty well dormant for the past three years. Of course, in the past we played a key role in being the mediator and conveyer of meetings, but that's not happening either. The first priority would be for the Israelis and Palestinians to take the initiative. But the Israelis have continued with their massive settlement program in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and the Palestinians say they won't negotiate as long as Israel is continuing to take over their territory, so there's deadlock. The United States is looked upon by the rest of the international community as the primary interlocutor, so the European Union members don't take action. As a result, there's no intermediary who can move things forward and initiate peace talks.

President Obama says he supports a Palestinian state, but even so there's a deadlock. Does it take even more than the support of a US President to get a Palestinian state?

I think the big change is that the Israeli leaders have decided to abandon the two-state solution. Their policy now is to confiscate Palestinian territory, and they've announced publicly that it the Palestinians have to recognize not just Israel but Israel as a Jewish state, even though 20% of the Israeli community are non-Jews. Netanyahu has also decided that even the Jordan valley has to be under Israeli control. So, those factors indicate quite clearly that Netanyahu has decided that the two-state solution is not what he wants. He wants what is being called Greater Israel, Eretz Israel. That's a new development, and I think everyone recognizes this.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:21 AM

46. Mr Chomsky ...

 

... is apparently ignorant or just deliberately misleading when he quotes from his Palestinian medical source ...

"Israeli occupation denied him a permit to go to Israeli hospitals for treatment. I had to suspend my study, work and life and go to set next to his bed. We all sat including my brother the physician and my sister the pharmacist, all powerless and hopeless watching his suffering. He died during the inhumane blockade of Gaza in summer 2006 with very little access to health service."

For one thing -- every year Israeli hospitals treat over 100,000 Palestinian patients, mostly women and children, for free. They perform everything from basic medical procedures to organ transplants on Palestinian patients. Over 100 Palestinian doctors intern in Israeli hospitals. I'm sorry the young woman's father died from cancer but if you're aware of a cure for advanced cancer (the PT died six months after the diagnosis) that could have saved this man that the Israelis are hiding from the world, please, let us know. Israeli doctors have saved more children than the IDF will ever harm in their crackdown on Hamas militants -- but you won't see any of acknowledgement of that here.

As for Mr Carter -- even the NY Times has pointed out his biased mendacity, pointing to his "narrow outlook" and falsification of facts in his "Apartheid" book (and when you've lost The Times, you're off the grid). The Carter Centre received a $200 million endowment from Saudi Arabia and subsequently ignores Saudi human rights abuses to focus it's total ire on Israel. Someone that far "in the tank" can't even remotely be thought to be an unbiased source.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:37 AM

47. Everyone is wrong but you, of course they're all lying or just ignorant.

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I'm sorry, but there's been too much recorded and written by Israeli's themselves to ignore the truth of what people like Chomsky, or Carter or anyone else who's extensively studied the suffering of Palestinians have to say.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-war-s-seventh-day-1.51513

Michael Ben-Yair - former Attorney General of Israel

The Six-Day War was forced upon us; however, the war's seventh day, which began on June 12, 1967 and has continued to this day, is the product of our choice. We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.


This is the background of the difficult testimony we have received about actions of Israel Defense Forces personnel in the occupied territories. No need to repeat the details of the painful phenomena entailed in the occupation regime and in our battle to prolong it. Suffice it to recall the killing of little children fleeing for safety; the executions, without trial, of wanted persons who were not on their way to launch a terrorist act; and the encirclements, closures and roadblocks that have turned the lives of millions into a nightmare. Even if all these actions stem from our need to defend ourselves under an occupation's conditions, the occupation's non-existence would render them unnecessary. Thus, a black flag hovers over these actions.

This is a harsh reality that is causing us to lose the moral base of our existence as a free, just society and to jeopardize Israel's long-range survival. Israel's security cannot be based only on the sword; it must rather be based on our principles of moral justice and on peace with our neighbors - those living next door and those living a little further away. An occupation regime undermines those principles of moral justice and prevents the attainment of peace. Thus, that regime endangers Israel's existence.


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