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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:26 AM

Israel Destroys Hamas Prime Minister's Office

Israel retaliated for Palestinian rocket attacks on Tel Aviv and Jerusalem with five airstrikes before dawn Saturday on the Gaza City offices of Ismail Haniya, the prime minister of Hamas — the militant Islamist group that governs Gaza.

The military said it had struck more than 200 targets overnight, including scores of underground rocket launchers and smuggling tunnels in Rafah, on the Gaza-Egypt border. Along with Mr. Haniya’s headquarters, which was destroyed, the military said in a statement that it had struck the Hamas police and homeland security headquarters, and the house of a Hamas commander, Ahmed Randor.”

Hamas officials reported four Hamas militants killed Saturday morning in two separate attacks by Israeli drones. One was killed in Rafah, and three in the Al Magazi refugee camp, in the middle of the Gaza Strip, Hamas said.

Explaining the Israeli rationale for moving from attacking purely militant targets to government buildings in Gaza, Mark Regev, a spokesman for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said on Saturday, “It is clear that Hamas itself makes no distinction between its terrorist military machine and the government structure and that they are intertwined.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict.html?pagewanted=all

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Reply Israel Destroys Hamas Prime Minister's Office (Original post)
oberliner Nov 2012 OP
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #1
bemildred Nov 2012 #2
hack89 Nov 2012 #3
bemildred Nov 2012 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #5
Bodhi BloodWave Nov 2012 #6
azurnoir Nov 2012 #7
bemildred Nov 2012 #8
oberliner Nov 2012 #13
bemildred Nov 2012 #14
oberliner Nov 2012 #17
eyl Nov 2012 #9
Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #10
bemildred Nov 2012 #11
oberliner Nov 2012 #12
bemildred Nov 2012 #15
oberliner Nov 2012 #16
bemildred Nov 2012 #18
oberliner Nov 2012 #19
bemildred Nov 2012 #20

Response to oberliner (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:53 AM

1. Surprised the was not done sooner eom

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:18 AM

2. Yeah, I expect they run out of "military targets" pretty quickly.

There were similar issues in Iraq and Afghanistan, you run out of stuff worth bombing, then you wind up chasing people with donkeys around with jets and drones and helicopters.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:21 AM

3. Anyone associated with Hamas' leadership and security apparatus is a worthy target.

there are plenty more targets out there.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:23 AM

4. Apparently anybody at all is a worthy target. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:29 AM

5. Its that pesky human shield thing again

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:13 PM

6. Some people here on DU

would be claiming human shields even if somebody from hamas was struck by an israeli missile when walking down the street and said missile happened to kill lets say 3 people in the house he passed by at that time. Its a very nice attempt to excuse deaths

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:17 PM

7. apparently everybody in Gaza is a human sheild

ya know that one wears quite thin after a while

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:32 PM

8. Yeah, I think that's the point, they are all either terrorists or human shields.

And in either case, they are fair game, bombs away, rat tat tat tat tat, ksheeeewwww, BLAM!

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Response to bemildred (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:19 AM

13. This is ridiculous

Surprised to see a post like this from you.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:41 AM

14. Yeah, I seem to annoy everybody today.

Must be doing something right.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:41 PM

17. Not annoyed, just surprised

I didn't think you thought what appears to be implied by that post.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:55 AM

9. There have been allegations

that the building was housing ordnance. At the very least, it seems to have exploded rather spectacularly* (first video; it's first segment is the attack on the PM's building, the secondary explosion is at about 30 seconds in)

*http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4306945,00.html

(How to I dress a URL here? can't figure it out on the new software

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Response to eyl (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:07 AM

10. In the post section, the row of buttons have a tab called "link."

When you click on it, a pop-up jumps up and you but the url in the box provided, then add your link name, then hit the button again to close it. Or, the old fashioned way....

open bracket "link" colon "the web address without the http the colon or the double hashes" upward slash (|) "name" close bracket.

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Response to eyl (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:16 AM

11. Your URL seems fine.

And BTA's directions too.

I don't think whether there were explosives in the basement is the proper question, I mean I don't know, it would not surprise me, but not everybody is going to accept that as excusing bombing the neighborhood. That's where the cognitive disconnect comes in, people think of this as a military conflict, and well, it's not.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:19 AM

12. "people think of this as a military conflict, and well, it's not."

What is it?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:42 AM

15. You won't like the other answers either. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:40 PM

16. Can you share them anyway?

I'm just curious.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:28 PM

18. I think it's a political problem?

Do you think there is going to be a military solution? I think this is all an elaborate way to pound sand.

There are three ways to stop the rockets:

1.) Re-occupy Gaza yourself (have fun).
2.) Install and defend a puppet regime (have fun).
3.) Negotiate with Hamas (or whomever else one can find who might do the job for you, given suitable incentives).

None of this is unforseen, and delay won't improve the eventual outcome, the technology creep will continue, the non-existent blockade is broke for good. That's what I think, that's what I've thought for a long time now, I see no reason to change.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:47 PM

19. OK

To be honest, I have no idea what kind of solution is possible.

What's the eventual outcome?

It's not entirely clear to me where this will all lead.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:57 PM

20. Heck if I know, but it won't be good.

Are you ready for another round of plucky little Gaza being crushed by the Israeli aggressor-bully? It won't be better than last time.

But it may not come to that. The battlefield is hardly well-enough prepared yet, and already there is yammering back and forth about a cease fire. It could be a seminal moment, formative of future attitude changes, if somebody notices that it is not really worth all this trouble just to keep from giving some shreds of legitimacy to Hamas or whomever Palestinian, it's going to be a lot cheaper to make a deal, and keep it.

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