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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:04 PM

Egypt Condemns Israel Attacks On Gaza, Demands Halt

Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:42pm EST
Nov 14 (Reuters) - Egypt's foreign ministry condemned on Wednesday a series of Israeli strikes that killed a Hamas top military commander in the Gaza Strip and called for an immediate halt to the attacks.

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"Foreign Minister Mohamed Kamel Amr condemned the series of air strikes that Israel is currently conducting against Gaza Strip and which led to the killing of Ahmed Al-Jaabari," said the statement released by Egypt's foreign ministry.

"He called on Israel to stop its strikes on Gaza Strip immediately," the statement said adding that any further esclation from Israel "could have negative repercussions on the security and stabiltiy of the region".

The statement said the Egyptian minister considered the "Israeli escalation to be very dangerous".

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/14/egypt-israel-attack-idUSL5E8MECTC20121114

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Reply Egypt Condemns Israel Attacks On Gaza, Demands Halt (Original post)
Purveyor Nov 2012 OP
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #1
Lars77 Nov 2012 #2
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #8
Lars77 Nov 2012 #10
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #15
Lars77 Nov 2012 #18
shira Nov 2012 #22
Lars77 Nov 2012 #25
Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #29
Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #28
Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #27
libodem Nov 2012 #3
Lars77 Nov 2012 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #7
shira Nov 2012 #23
King_David Nov 2012 #24
King_David Nov 2012 #20
Purveyor Nov 2012 #5
azurnoir Nov 2012 #6
oberliner Nov 2012 #9
Lars77 Nov 2012 #11
Mosby Nov 2012 #14
Lars77 Nov 2012 #17
azurnoir Nov 2012 #12
Mosby Nov 2012 #13
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #16
Mosby Nov 2012 #21
Mosby Nov 2012 #19
King_David Nov 2012 #26

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:20 PM

1. Where were his words of concern when the rocket attacks resumed?

The IDF got not only bubba but stored long rang rockets in storage. A good day overall.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:35 PM

2. They're not finished yet. They need to inflict the obligatory civilian casualties.

You know, kids playing on a rooftop hit by accident, after they can surgically target a moving car in a street.

Edit: Actually they've already done that.

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:09 PM

8. Hamas used human shields

Must be wonderful living in an area governed by such an enlightened party

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:07 PM

10. If you mean living with people in a cramped space, i guess you could call them a human shield.

I'd call them neighbours.

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:23 PM

15. Early reports has Hamas hiding their material in occupied buildings

That is using human shields

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:28 PM

18. "Early reports". From the IDF then right?

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:07 PM

22. Here ya go. It's what they do.

Let's see outrage from you now....


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Response to shira (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:54 PM

25. That's a pretty speculative youtube channel, but for the sake of argument i'll grant you..

that the translation is accurate.

So what then? You have a bunch of fanatics in control in a small confined area completely under control and surveillance by Israel. Israel is supposed to be a western style democracy doing things in a proper way, and yet they are willfully bolstering support for Hamas by strangling the Gaza economy and its citizens. If they really wanted to they could open up so that people could produce instead of being dependent on finished goods from outside. They would have jobs to go to instead of joining Hamas who offer healthcare with one hand and a weapon with the other. But that would mean actually treating arabs as equal citizens in what is effectively an apartheid state where only Jewish people are first class citizens.

Then they use scattered rocket attacks by the lunatics running Hamas and other groups (and these exchanges are not always started by Hamas) as an excuse to bomb the place from the air and the sea, killing thousands of innocent people, making more terrorists by the minute so that bibi and his far right government can further bolster their support.
You think i'm outraged? You bet i am. Because a "western" state are behaving just as badly as the jihadists on the other side, but with far superior firepower making the death toll far far bigger. I hold Israel to a higher standard.

Now, it's obvious that the IDF does not give a shit if there are human shields or not, and it's completely obvious that the policy of Israel is to make life so miserable in Gaza and on the west bank that the palestinians will eventually leave so that all the land falls into the hands of Israel. Cause that's what god intends right?

So now children and innocent people are paying with their lives, and meanwhile the IDF are gloating on social media with nutjob extremists cheerleading the assault calling for the carpet bombing of Gaza on twitter, on the fucking hashtag the IDF set up for the assault. Is that how a modern state should behave? How would it look if the US military were letting people encourage them to commit genocide in Iraq on their social media?

Actually im much more fed up and sad than outraged. This is the shit you get when tribalism runs amok you let the lunatic fringes on both sides run the show.

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:10 PM

29. There are a lot of problems with this post.

I don't have time to delve deeply into them now, but I can spend a minute skimming the more egregious errors.

Israel is supposed to be a western style democracy doing things in a proper way, and yet they are willfully bolstering support for Hamas by strangling the Gaza economy and its citizens. If they really wanted to they could open up so that people could produce instead of being dependent on finished goods from outside. They would have jobs to go to instead of joining Hamas who offer healthcare with one hand and a weapon with the other.


Gazans used to have all of these things. In fact, the blockade came soon after Israel made an unprecedented concession of pulling out of Gaza completely, closing all settlements, but leaving their money-making greenhouses. Gaza responded with riots and rockets at first. Later they elected Hamas into power who spend their energy and money ramping up attacks against Israel. Only then was the blockade instituted. Conversely the people in the West Bank have been acting peacefully and their economy has been growing exponentially over the past decade. There's investment from Israel and outside states, and as a result of the improved situation Israe; has been closing checkpoints, such as the ones outside Jenin. Some newly won court cases will also force Israel to demolish some of their illegally built settlement outposts.

But that would mean actually treating arabs as equal citizens in what is effectively an apartheid state where only Jewish people are first class citizens.


You are aware that Gazans are not Israeli citizens, right? Because Israeli Arabs ARE equal citizens of Israel under the law. They vote, serve in the military if they choose, are represented in government, can live anywhere Jews can live and have equal rights to Jews by law.

as an excuse to bomb the place from the air and the sea, killing thousands of innocent people,


This simply does not occur.

Now, it's obvious that the IDF does not give a shit if there are human shields or not


If this were true then Hamas would not base whole strategies around the IDF's reluctance to kill civilians. ie: human shields. The whole point of using them is that they DO work against Israel. Which is the crux of their tactic of massing kids on the roofs of buildings that have been cited for destruction. The IDF calls ahead before bombing a building so that they can evacuate but instead some people get everyone to climb up on the roof and wave flags. This results in the airstrike being cancelled precisely because Israel DOES care about avoiding civilian deaths.

it's completely obvious that the policy of Israel is to make life so miserable in Gaza and on the west bank that the palestinians will eventually leave so that all the land falls into the hands of Israel.


Obvious to who? Israel just GAVE all of Gaza to the Palestinians. The facts show the reverse of your accusation.

Cause that's what god intends right?


Huh? WTF are you even talking about? If you think this conflict is about religion then you really haven't bothered to read much about it at all.

How would it look if the US military were letting people encourage them to commit genocide in Iraq on their social media?


The sad thing about this comment is that you get hung up on twitter feeds while ignoring the fact that MANY more people have died in this single war in Iraq at US hands than the sum of EVERYONE who has died on all sides of the WHOLE I/P conflict over the past 100 years. EXPONENTIALLY more people. And you're worried how it would look if the US military let people TALK about it online? Seriously?

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:48 PM

28. Yes.

Documented reports from Israel. But also from the New York Times, Ha'aretz, and in some circumstances admissions from Hamas themselves.

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:40 PM

27. Not exactly.

More like deliberately massing children on the rooftops of buildings in the few minutes following an Israeli phone call warning the house's inhabitants to evacuate because the house is about to be demolished by an airstrike. Israel does this to minimize civilian casualties, but Gazans have been known to take advantage of the warning to gather flag-waving children on the rooftops as a means of deflecting the attack. And while it is both immoral and a war crime to use civilians to shield military targets it DOES happen to be effective (when you are dealing with an army like Israel's, that is. This isn't a tactic I would recommend using against Hamas for instance, unless you WANT those kids to actually get killed.)

Ha'aretz article about it:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-phones-gaza-residents-to-warn-them-of-imminent-strikes-1.267350

Other examples include basing their military's war room under Gaza's largest hospital, and using active mosques, schools and civilian homes as storage areas for weapons caches. Militants and even police often wear civilian clothing, making it almost impossible to distinguish between fighters and non-combatants.

The point of these tactics is both to slow down Israeli soldiers, making them second guess every shot they take as well as to generate propaganda against Israel for causing civilian deaths. Make no mistake about it, these tactics are all part of a larger strategy. They are by design, not accident.

NYTimes article about it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/world/middleeast/11hamas.html?partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:36 PM

3. That's a nice gesture

After all those Palestinians are kettled in a getto, and deprived of everything that makes us human, getting through the barriers.
Talk about treating a people like they out to be blown off the map? It would be more merciful to get it done quickly than to keep letting them die slowly from lack of food, medicine and building material. Oh, heck they must be some second class brothers of Abraham, you know the subhumans in Gaza. Not really capable of suffering.
Scrape the whole strip with bulldozers, run them over, take their land. Jail them for fighting back. Scoot them out a back door into neighbours' countries. Refugees.
They could just all expire in a camp. They'd be dead. And plausible deniability exists.

Yeah, take that land, murder them slowly through sickness and starvation. They are not God's chosen
people obviously. Kick them while they are down.

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Response to libodem (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:43 PM

4. BBC reports warships are now shelling Gaza

This photo from reuters:




But hey, why not start out with a surgical strike before killing the kids? Good for PR and stuff.

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:07 PM

7. Have to wonder why Hamas uses human shields the way they do



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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:11 PM

23. And why the caring humanitarians could care less... n/t

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:52 PM

24. How can Hamas cause this to be done to the people they are meant to protect?

So sad and so despicable.

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Response to libodem (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:47 PM

20. You are showing us , that you know absolutely

nothing about Gaza.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:49 PM

5. Egypt Recalls Envoy To Israel After Gaza Strike

CAIRO (AP) -- Egypt has recalled its ambassador to Israel after an Israeli airstrike killed the military commander of Gaza's ruling Hamas.

In a statement read on state TV late Wednesday, spokesman Yasser Ali said that President Mohammed Morsi recalled the ambassador and asked the Arab League's Secretary General to convene an emergency ministerial meeting in the wake of the Gaza violence.

Morsi also called for an immediate cease fire between Israel and Hamas, an offshoot of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood. Israel says it struck in response to rocket attacks from Gaza.

Hours earlier, Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood group denounced the Israeli airstrike as a "crime that requires a quick Arab and international response to stem these massacres."

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-14-14-57-29

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:05 PM

6. Operation Pillar of Defense is underway I guess n/t

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:00 PM

9. Are you working from the original Hebrew?

Cloud doesn't mean defense. They are different words.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:08 PM

11. The IDF even made a twitter thingie called #PillarOfDefense

Loads of zionists rocking it out on there.

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Response to Lars77 (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:22 PM

14. so what

Fans of Hamas are using #gazaunderattack.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:27 PM

17. I was merely helping out oberliner since he questioned what the name of the operation was..

jeezus.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:15 PM

12. No I was going by Haaretz

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=21060

but do feel free to offer up a better translation

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Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:19 PM

13. couple tweets just now

Saying that leaflets are being dropped in n gaza about a ground invasion.

Edit - just saw a tweet about a kassam hitting a power station in tel aviv.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:25 PM

16. Sounds like a complete repeat

Wonder what both sides have done to their scripts. Presumptively both had lessons learned from the last go round.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:40 PM

19. statement from the us state dept.

Press Statement
Mark C. Toner
Deputy SpokespersonOffice of the Spokesperson
Washington, DC
November 14, 2012

We strongly condemn the barrage of rocket fire from Gaza into southern Israel, and we regret the death and injury of innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians caused by the ensuing violence. There is no justification for the violence that Hamas and other terrorist organizations are employing against the people of Israel. We call on those responsible to stop these cowardly acts immediately. We support Israelís right to defend itself, and we encourage Israel to continue to take every effort to avoid civilian casualties.

Hamas claims to have the best interests of the Palestinian people at heart, yet it continues to engage in violence that is counterproductive to the Palestinian cause. Attacking Israel on a near daily basis does nothing to help Palestinians in Gaza or to move the Palestinian people any closer to achieving self determination.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:54 PM

26. +1

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