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Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:18 PM

Just today, forget about the Middle East and vote Obama

a note to us from Dimi Reider and +972

It’s true that there isn’t much difference between the two candidates on foreign policy, and it’s true we could use a little less American ambition globally. But if you’re letting foreign affairs discourage you from voting, you’re playing that same old imperial game, and you’re doing it at the expense of much more immediate and crucial issues – especially women’s rights.

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But unlike in Israel-Palestine, where Obama failed miserably to assert even an iota of influence over the state whose military budget he practically owns and where Romney would not behave any differently, on women’s rights Americans are faced with a clear and present danger. Romney wants to overturn Roe v. Wade – this is a certainty, not some hypothetical new war in the Middle East the States are not likely to be able to afford anyway. Can you imagine the scope and depth of influence that would have on the lives of Americans, first and incalculably foremost American women but also their children, their partners and medical professionals of all genders? Can you imagine the return of the backdoor illegal abortion clinic, the dodgy pill, the proverbial coat-hanger, the slow and horrible deaths on makeshift operating tables? Can you imagine the Supreme Court being instilled with the soul of anti-abortionist murderer Scott Roeder? Because this is what a Romney administration would do, and those who vote for Stein today will be left with same feeling Naderites carry since the 2000 elections, only with an extra guilt factor – it was hard to foresee the full scope of malevolent and criminal stupidity indulged in by the Bush Jr. administration, but Romney’s plans for a shock-and-awe war on women are already there for all to see.

If this wasn’t enough, Romney also wants to defund Planned Parenthood and the Affordable Care act; in terms of taking care of its own citizens, the U.S. is already less than an excuse for a modern-day industrialised state, but this would push your heads down decisively into third-world status. By not voting or by voting for the Green Party you’re actually lending a shoulder to the election of a president far to the right of Richard Nixon, who ensured federal funding for PP in the first place, and, yes, quite obviously, you’re slamming the door of the healthcare system into the face of hundreds of millions of compatriots bled white by America’s parasitic health insurance sector.


http://972mag.com/just-today-forget-about-the-middle-east-and-vote-obama/59183/

any comment's about +972 and why I like them?

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Response to azurnoir (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 04:51 PM

1. Thanks, +972! And thanks for posting this, azur.

We should have a check-in for all I/P regulars saying they've voted(I did, by absentee a week ago).

Have a great(and hopefully victorious day).

And I/P folks, however you feel about THIS issue, please GET OUT AND VOTE, and vote Democratic! We may agree about nothing else, but I hope we all agree about that.

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Response to azurnoir (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 05:01 PM

2. not much of an endorsement. nt

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Response to Mosby (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 10:35 PM

3. perhaps but it certainly beats IVoteIsrael's wouldn't you agree? n/t

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:11 PM

4. I don't know

Ivoteisrael is a 501c4 and does not support any particular candidate. The person who wrote the 972 piece sounds like your typical far leftist who obsesses about nonexistent imperialism and thinks that an american president can solve all of the ME problems with the snap of his or her fingers.

People like this alternate between extreme isolationism and extreme nation building, ffs the author mentions Bahrain specifically, is she/he a complete idiot or what? How many american troops should we sent to support the shia of bahrain? Lol.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:22 PM

5. well the voting results from that enterprise (IVoteIsrael) sort of speak for themselves

85% in favor of Romney, as opposed to American Jews in the US voting 70% in favor of Obama, but thanks for your input and defense of a program that called on Americans who live in Israel to vote in American elections with what the best outcome for Israel would be, 'some' might call that encouraging the dual loyalty meme but I guess whether that's okay or not depends on 2 things - who's doing it, and the political leanings of the observer

Tell us would you find a program aimed at Israeli's living in the US to vote in Israeli elections for the candidate they believe would be best for the US offensive? I know I would find it offensive

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:47 PM

6. I think single issue voters are misguided.

I guess part of me understands it but I would never base my vote on just one issue.

Moreover, I think people vote based on self interest all the time, in fact most republicans vote based on who they think will favor lowering their taxes, not exactly an enlightened view of politics.

Is that better or worse than people who decide their vote based
only on foreign policy considerations?

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Response to Mosby (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 04:52 PM

7. I think you missed my point or???????n/t

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:00 PM

8. I agree with Mosby

Whats wrong with voting for the candidate that reflects your own values.

When it comes to the Majority of Democrat voters USA values and Israel values are one and the same.

No chance of 'Duel loyalty'.

The 2 countries share values and ideals.

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Response to King_David (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:17 PM

10. so your claiming Israeli values and American values are the same

well okay then

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:09 PM

9. Offensive? Dual Loyalties?

Wow. That is off the charts.

If I was an American living and working in South Korea, I would definitely consider which candidate for US president was going to do more to keep South Korea safe, was going to keep trade and business there flourishing, etc.

It would be bizarre not to. And I cannot imagine anyone throwing the "dual loyalty" charge around in that case.

Only one group of people who generally get that name thrown at them and it's not Americans living in Korea.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:19 PM

11. well that's you I guess but myself if your going to vote in a countries election

then what is good for that country should be first and foremost not what is good for ones country of residence. but thanks for confirming what I said about it could be encouraging the dual loyalties meme (something quite disproved by the votes of American Jews living in the US), but it's all about who says it and the politics of the observer

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:28 PM

12. Some people would even see this post as being offensive nt

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Response to King_David (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:34 PM

13. which post are you speaking of the OP or what I said about it? n/t

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