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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:25 PM

UN Rights Expert’s Boycott Call Angers U.S. And Israel

By Agence France-Presse
Thursday, October 25, 2012 17:47 EDT

UNITED NATIONS — The United States and Israel on Thursday slammed a call by an outspoken UN rights expert for a boycott of companies helping Israel’s settlement expansion in the Palestinian territories.

US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice said the boycott appeal by Richard Falk would “poison the environment for peace.” An Israeli spokeswoman criticized the “distasteful sideshow.”

Falk, the UN special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, said the UN General Assembly and civil society should boycott international firms that help expand Israeli settlements.

He singled out Caterpillar, Hewlett Packard and Motorola of the United States, Veolia Environment of France, G4S of Britain, Dexia of Belgium, Volvo Group and Assa Abloy of Sweden, Ahava, Elbit Systems and Mehadrin of Israel, Riwal Holding Group of the Netherlands and Cemex of Mexico.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/25/un-rights-experts-boycott-call-angers-u-s-and-israel/

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Reply UN Rights Expert’s Boycott Call Angers U.S. And Israel (Original post)
Purveyor Oct 2012 OP
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LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #2
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Purveyor Oct 2012 #8
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Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #10
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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:37 PM

1. U.N. Palestinian Rights Official Posts Anti-Semitic Cartoon

The United Nations Human Rights Council’s special rapporteur on Palestinian rights is being criticized for re-posting an anti-Semitic cartoon on his personal blog.

The cartoon, posted by Richard Falk, depicts a dog wearing a shirt labeled “USA” and a yarmulke marked with a Star of David devouring a bloody human carcass. Lady Justice stands by blindfolded, holding the dog’s leash as it urinates on her foot.

http://forward.com/articles/139561/un-palestinian-rights-official-posts-anti-semitic/#ixzz2ALwnjwC9

Wow, same guy.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:13 PM

2. Richard Falk is too loony to be taken seriously as an 'expert'

He has accused Israel of 'genocide' and 'planning a Holocaust' of the Palestinians, and has endorsed a book by Gilad Atzmon.

That being said, a boycott of the settlements and of companies involved in building them would make much more sense than a general boycott of Israel. However, Falk cannot be for one minute trusted as a level-headed or reliable organizer of such a movement.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 05:51 AM

3. Anyone who is too loony or too corrupt ...

 

... to find a job anywhere in the world ... can always find a home at the UN.

As long as they hate Israeli.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 01:30 AM

8. You might ought to apply... I hear they are 'hiring'...

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 10:58 PM

9. I can't ...

 

... I don't hate Israel enough. It's a job requirement.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 03:36 AM

10. What a load of utter nonsense...

Firstly, there's no job requirement that anyone hate Israel. Secondly, rational people understand that criticising Israel does not mean hatred of Israel.

What is a job requirement for working at the UN is qualifications up to the eyeballs in international relations and being able to speak a zillion languages fluently...

I'm curious. Do you agree with the Israeli, US and Canadian govts that there shouldn't be boycotts of the Israeli setlements in the West Bank?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:29 AM

12. Richard Falk hates Israel and Jews. That's what this is about.

We all know it. There's no point denying it and pretending it's only about leftwing concern for Palestinians.

Falk should have been booted from the UN years ago. That he's still there goes to show how disgusting that bigoted body is.

Not that anything less should be expected. The UN commissioned Falk because they hate Israel and its Jews every bit as much as he does, and that's why they support terror (Hamas, Hezbollah attacks) they label as "resistance" or armed "militant" attacks by all available means.

UNGAR A/RES/33/24, Nov 1978.

“2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

UNGAR A/RES/3246 (XXIX), Nov 1974.

3. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples’ struggle for liberation form colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle;
7. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of peoples under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people; (4)

See also UNGA Resolution A/RES/34/44 (23 November 1979), UNGA Resolution A/RES/35/35 (14 November 1980), UNGA Resolution A/RES/36/9 (28 October 1981) and many others like it.


Now with all those UN resolutions in mind, it's easier to understand this:



Richard Falk and these "leftists" support Hamas' right to resist, via armed struggle, and by all available means. IOW, they support Hamas 'militants' they view as freedom fighters.

So back to the OP:

Falk and his fellow neo-nazi, Jew hating pigs can take their bigoted boycotts against the Jews and shove them.

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Response to shira (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:54 AM

14. Actually this is about calls to boycott the settlements...

Read the OP. It'll help clear up yr confusion. I'm not interested in yr incessant attempts to distract attention away from criticism of Israel...

Oh, and I wish you'd stop taking it upon yrself to speak on behalf of us all. You don't, and you've been told so many times I really have to wonder why you still do it. If you insist on replying to my posts, at least have the courtesy to respond to what I say, and don't just tack random stuff there that has nothing at all to do with what I said...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:59 AM

16. It's about Richard Falk and the UN's call to boycott.

As is evident in the last post, it goes FAR beyond legitimate criticism of Israel.

It's as ugly as it gets.

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Response to shira (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:03 AM

18. Are you incapable of reading the OP? It's about a call to boycott the settlements...

Scroll up. Right to the top. Read the article. It's about a call to boycott the settlements. It's not rocket science...

I'm curious. Do you oppose calls to boycott the settlements?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:35 AM

19. Did you miss the parts about Richard Falk in the OP?

I oppose boycotting the settlements.

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Response to shira (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:39 AM

21. I'm at a loss as to why anyone claiming to be LW would be opposed to boycotting the settlements...

I'd be interested in hearing yr reasons for believing it's wrong to boycott the settlements...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:53 AM

29. You should read up on J-Street opposition to boycotting settlements.

http://jstreet.org/blog/post/the-boycott-divestment-and-sanctions-bds-movement_1

Personally, I believe the BDS movement is composed of terror supporting Jew hating bigots who want Israel destroyed.

I'm against helping them in any way.

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Response to shira (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:06 AM

34. They're a rather conflicted bunch...

I've got little to no respect for anyone who opposes boycotting the settlements. In refusing to boycott them, they're adding their support to the settlement movement, who are terror supporting Arab hating bigots who want Palestine destroyed...

Most people are capable of making a decision on whether to boycott something or not based on their feelings of right or wrong when it comes to the issue, not irrational hatred of some movement...

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Response to shira (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:42 AM

26. you oppose a boycot against settlement products

so in other words you support settlement products?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:54 AM

30. If I had my way, there'd already be 2 states and no more settlements to boycott.

I'm not sure Israel can do any better than their offers in 2001 and 2008.

What's ironic is those most against the settlements happen to also be against both peace deals in 2001 and 2008 that would have ended both the occupation and settlements.

Turns out they're the ones supporting occupation and settlements.

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Response to shira (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:10 AM

46. why are you bringing Olmerts plan up again?

you have been shown over and over why that was an empty deal do you need reminding-again? I'll be more than happy to repost the links for you

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:16 AM

48. Because both the Geneva Initiative people and Abbas/Erekat....

...thought very highly of Olmert's offer?

Gee, maybe?

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Response to shira (Reply #48)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:35 AM

52. If Abbas as you claim thoight so highly of Olmerts plan then why

did he refuse it as you have claimed or are you changing up now?

but here is a link to where I lay out explicitly why Olmerts plan was empty, including Netanyahu saying he would not honor any peace plan of Olmerts and that part of the plan was that it could not be initiated while Hamas was in power in Gaza

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=6380

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #52)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:12 AM

54. Abbas: Olmert Was Close to Peace Deal

RAMALLAH, WEST BANK — In comments that may stir Israel’s election campaign, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Sunday that he and Ehud Olmert were “two months” away from a peace deal before Olmert had to resign as Israeli prime minister.

With Olmert lately cleared of several graft charges and considering a challenge to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the Jan. 22 parliamentary election, supporters have highlighted Olmert’s efforts to make peace with Abbas in negotiations which later foundered under Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition.

Speaking to Israeli politicians in the West Bank, Abbas said: “I worked hard with Olmert. Unfortunately, he suddenly retired. We discussed the borders, the exchange of territories and traded maps. We were close and reached many understandings.”

Asked how close the pair were to a deal in 2008, Abbas replied in English: “I’m sure if he continued, two months.”


Read more: http://forward.com/articles/164262/abbas-olmert-was-close-to-peace-deal/#ixzz2AhXMtn4S

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Response to shira (Reply #54)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 02:20 PM

55. that is not what I asked you why are playing this hand now?

when if one follows the thread I posted you were claiming Abbas had turned down the deal and had been on numerous occasions prior to that, when in fact he did not?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #55)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 10:10 PM

96. You just claimed Abbas thought Olmert's offer was shit.

Obviously, that was not the case.

But nice try running interference for Abbas' rejectionism.

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Response to shira (Reply #96)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:05 PM

99. "But nice try running interference for Abbas' rejectionism."

ah it seems you were the one claiming it was not do you honestly think because a couple days have past .......??????

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #99)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:49 AM

102. You were wrong. And I never claimed it wasn't Abbas rejectionism. n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #102)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:20 AM

105. really was I? about what the offer being meaningless

but a valiant effort on your part none the less kudo's

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:46 AM

110. no it's not.

It's a call to boycott any companies that sell products to the settlers. So it is boycotting those who refuse to boycott the settlements... a very different thing. One is a boycott directed at a group for specific actions they take. This is a boycott against companies for not holding/supporting your same political views wrt I/P.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:09 AM

4. You really have to wonder how anyone who's LW could be opposed to boycotting the settlements...

Susan Rice must have spotted something I've missed if she's seeing an 'environment for peace' lying round. There's no environment for peace, and those who claim there is right now are usually just fans of the inertia that results in Israeli settlements going on without any disruption...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:36 AM

20. J-Street opposes boycotts. n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:40 AM

22. and?????? n/t

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:57 AM

32. and J-Street isn't leftwing enough for you? n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #32)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:58 AM

41. no I was more curious why you were tossing in a group that you've condemned

in the past, but please share with us where J-Street is specifically against a boycott of Israeli settlements because what I've found is that they reject BDS against all of Israel and this article is not about that at all but it seems you do not separate the 2 Israel and the settlements

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:04 AM

44. Violet wanted to know about LW opposition to boycotts

She asked, I provided.

Now if you'd kindly read the link in #29 you would find J-Street opposes specific boycotting of the settlements.

J-Street opposes boycotts just like the USA does under Obama.

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Response to shira (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:27 AM

50. they can not participate which is wise they would likely lose their tax exempt status

U.S. law (found in the Export Administration Act -- EAA; the official reference is: 48 C.F.R. 652.225-71) "prohibits compliance by U.S. persons with any boycott fostered by a foreign country against a country which is friendly to the United States and which is not itself the object of any form of boycott pursuant to United States law or regulation," and imposes criminal penalties on those who do comply with such boycotts.

U.S. law (found in the Tax Reform Act -- TRA), penalizes those who participate in such boycotts (as defined under the EAA) by denying them certain tax benefits.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lara-friedman/israel-boycott-law_b_898317.html

but here is what they said they feel that restricting the boycott to settlements is positive

We note positively that some groups promoting BDS tactics are trying to narrow the scope of boycotts or divestment initiatives to oppose simply the occupation and not Israel itself. The Palestinian Authority, for instance, does not call for a boycott of Israel itself or Israeli goods, but of settlement products, unlike the all-encompassing boycott of Israel promoted by the global BDS Movement. J Street, however, will not participate in targeted boycott or divestment initiatives. We are focused on creating the political will and atmosphere necessary in the United States to promote strong American leadership to achieve a two-state resolution to the conflict.

http://jstreet.org/blog/post/the-boycott-divestment-and-sanctions-bds-movement_1

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Response to shira (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:40 AM

24. Which boycotts? Boycotting the settlements?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:57 AM

31. Yes. n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:09 AM

35. I'm not sure why you think it matters...

Like I said, I'm at a loss as to how anyone who claims to be LW can oppose boycotting the settlements.

If I ever come across anything that's made in the settlements, I'll refuse to buy it. There's no way I'd do anything to show support of the settlers...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:59 AM

42. They are against the BDS movement boycotting all of Israel

but it seems some don't understand the difference between Israel and the settlements

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:02 AM

43. You're wrong. See link in post #29 above. n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:30 AM

51. If J-Street were to participate they would lose their tax exempt status

they also called the narrowing of the scope of BDS a positive development

see post # 50 above

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:25 PM

6. Don't forget Canada! They're so very, very angry right now...

In true Conservative form, they're enraged that anyone dare suggesting doing anything that might show less than 110% support of everything and anything Israel does, including the settlements in the West Bank...

UN Palestinian rights envoy unapologetic in face of Canadian calls for his resignation

OTTAWA - A diplomatic spat has broken out between the Conservative government and a controversial UN special rapporteur after the latter endorsed a boycott of companies that are profiting from Israeli settlements built on occupied Palestinian land.

In strongly worded comments, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney this week accused rapporteur Richard Falk of bias and alleged he is undermining efforts to achieve peace in the Middle East.

Falk has dismissed the government's "irrational" response as little more than an effort to attack the messenger rather than dealing with what he says are Israel's efforts to take land that rightfully belongs to the Palestinians.

"I would hope that there would be a less irrational response that focused on me, rather than on the issues," Falk said in an interview from New York City.


Read more: http://www.canada.com/Palestinian+rights+envoy+unapologetic+face+Canadian+calls+resignation/7454944/story.html#ixzz2AY5fpFYR

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 01:19 AM

7. ya that seems to be the ticket in these parts

keep the attention focused on various personalities rather than the actual issue at hand

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:28 AM

11. The US government was enraged too

Do you consider Barack Obama to be in
" true conservative form " too?

News update , the Democrats in the USA support The Jewish State 110% too

What a ridiculous statement .

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Response to King_David (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:32 AM

13. Obama is loathed among the FreeGaza, ISM, BDS, Mondoweiss crowd...

They cannot stand him.

Check out CounterPunch, EI, and Mondoweiss by googling them along with Obama. They prefer Bush over Obama.

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Response to shira (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:01 AM

17. It's interesting how nothing you post relates to anything yr replying to...

Even if all that bunch didn't like Obama (which I highly doubt), isn't it incredibly hypocritical of you to think that's an issue, seeing a lot of the folk you admire and agree with can't stand him either? In fact, I recall you saying many times at DU2 when people picked you up on yr habit of using RW sources that we were deflecting and we attacking the messenger and apparently we were supposed to overlook their political leanings...

On edit: Here's just one example of where you chided people at DU2, this one was when you peddled Derschowitz...

Shira: 'Focus on the quote, not the author, and allow that to sink in for at least a few moments. Imagine the outright nerve you need to muster in order to be dismissive of the message.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=309113&mesg_id=309342


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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:41 AM

25. You brought up Canada. Obama's stance is similar as KD wrote.

Are you just as upset at rightwing democrats like Obama as you are WRT Canada?

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Response to shira (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:49 AM

28. Yes, I brought them up coz they were having a whinge...

Their stance on Israel is NOT the same as Obama's. They're RW extremists who unlike Obama support Israel 110% no matter what it does and totally support the settlements.

I'm at a total loss as to why you expect me to be just as upset with Obama as I am with a bunch of hatefilled RW extremists. In case you missed it, this is DU where we're all supposed to be LWers, and we're opposed to RWers like the Canadian government...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:00 AM

33. WRT Richard Falk, Obama is just as upset as Canada

http://www.timesofisrael.com/canada-joins-israel-us-in-calling-for-un-rapporteurs-removal/

Seems your problem is not only with Canada but also with the Obama administration as well.

I'm at a loss as to why any LW'er wouldn't have a problem with someone as loathsome as Falk.

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Response to shira (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:13 AM

36. I'm not interested in indulging yr fixation with Mr Falk...

Now that you admitted you oppose boycotting the settlements, it makes sense that yr exerting so much energy trying to attack Falk rather than focus on the calls to boycott the settlements...

And to be honest, it gets tiresome the way you continually respond to attacks in this forum on RWers by making out that DUers should attack Obama the same way...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:22 AM

37. You're the one singling out Canada when it's the US leading the way

And of course you're not concerned about Falk.

Not surprising.

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Response to shira (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:28 AM

38. OH NOES!! How dare I bring up the RW Canadian govt and slag them off!!

I'm figuring for some reason yr sensitive about criticism of the Canadian govt, but I have no idea why. It's incredibly sensitive to think that adding an article to a thread about calls to boycott the settlements being criticised by the US and Israel is 'singling out Canada'. I don't really know or care who's leading what, and have been consistent in strongly supporting boycotting the settlements. I doubt you read the OP, but the excuses the US gives for opposing any boycotts of settlements is absolutely ridiculous. They pretend there's some peace process that might be damaged, but there's nothing

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:31 AM

39. It's not just Canada when the USA is leading the way. So you're slagging...

...off the USA as well for being just as bad as any right wing extremists.

Turns out Egypt and Iran thought Falk's assessment was fair and balanced.

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Just curious, but do you usually side with Egypt and Iran vs. Canada, the USA, Obama, and almost all Democrats?

Also, do you think the USA's criticism of Falk is ridiculous?

You support Falk?

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Response to shira (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:35 AM

40. You really need to stop making stuff up about what I did...

I did nothing of the sort, so knock it off. The way you try to put words in peoples mouths is irksome and imo a dirty debate tactic...

That 'question' is revolting and offensive. What on earth would possess you to say something like that here at DU?? People who support Iran and who don't support the Democrats aren't welcome at DU and are shown the door. I support the Democrats and don't support Iran, and anyone who's honest and has read my posts knows that already. If you did make an honest mistake, I'd ask you to delete that post, because it is very ugly, and if you did that intentionally knowing full well that I don't support Iran, then there's no appealing to yr better judgement...

Also, not sure what you think yr achieving by going on and on and on and on about Mr Falk. Do you think that going on like that will make someone go 'oh! I see now! Boycotting the settlements is inherently evil!'? Because it's just not working with me. I'm going to continue to boycott any goods that come from the settlements...




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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #40)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:15 AM

47. At the very least, you could condemn Falk but support his boycott call.

Is there a reason you feel you cannot criticize him?

After all, that's what Obama's officials are doing:

US Ambassador Susan Rice called Falk “highly biased” and his appeal for a boycott “irresponsible and unacceptable.”

“Mr. Falk’s recommendations do nothing to further a peaceful settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and indeed poison the environment for peace,” she said in a statement. “His continued service in the role of a UN Special Rapporteur is deeply regrettable and only damages the credibility of the UN”.


Seems you don't have a problem with Falk.

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Response to shira (Reply #47)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:35 AM

62. At the very least, you could apologise for deliberately claiming I don't support the Democrats...

That's what most people would do when caught out trying to tell a complete untruth about another person the way you did. Instead of doing the decent thing and apologising for making up that crap and claiming I support Iran, you ignore it and pretend noone objected to that completely dishonest claim.

So, stop making up complete and utter bullshit about other DUers like myself. It's ugly, unbecoming, and puts anything you have to say at all into doubt, as if you'd make up something like that about me, everything else is tainted as well...

Do you understand?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #62)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:26 AM

67. Well Obama and the Democratic Party

Do NOT support the Falk bigot and nor his message .

That much is clear and there is nothing ugly about that .


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Response to King_David (Reply #67)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:36 AM

69. That's got nothing to do with the dishonest claim that I don't support the Democrats...

That was an ugly and dishonest thing to say. Or do you agree with Shira when she claims I don't support the Democrats and do support Iran?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #62)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 10:22 PM

98. I didn't claim anything. I asked you a question.

And WRT the I/P situation, settlements, and boycotts your views appear closer to those of Egypt and Iran than Obama and the Democrats. I could be wrong and that's okay.

It's why I asked.

I apologize regardless.

So what do you think of Obama's representatives ripping into Richard Falk?

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Response to shira (Reply #98)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:23 AM

107. It was a 'have you stopped beating yr wife?' questions

It was the 'do you usually side with' bit that made the question offensive, and I do appreciate that you apologized. My views are mine and mine alone, and I don't care who does or doesn't agree with them. It certainly doesn't mean I side with everyone who might hold one view that I happen to hold. An example of what I'm talking about is where both Iran and Israel voted for Australia to have a spot on the SEcurity Council. Doing that doesn't mean they side with each other or support each other. It means that on that issue they both held the same opinion, and they came to thei decisions for their own and probably very different reasons.

I don't really care about who ripped into Falk. I'd be interested if it was criticism of calls to boycott the settlements, though.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #40)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:01 PM

57. Like you ' I support the Democrats'

'The Obama administration slammed UN special rapporteur Richard Falk's call for a boycott of private companies that are profiting from the Israeli settlement enterprise.'


http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=289448

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Response to King_David (Reply #57)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:34 PM

58. yes it is a remouthing of Susan Rices words that are stated in the OP

nothing more nothing less

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:35 PM

59. And so ? nt

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Response to King_David (Reply #59)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:39 PM

60. thanks you got my point apparently n/t

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #60)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:07 AM

61. Umm ok...

If you say so.

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Response to King_David (Reply #57)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:39 AM

63. I thought you were leaving. You said goodbye further down the thread...

Do you oppose boycotting the settlements?

Oh, and seeing you seem to have no problem understanding that I support Democrats and don't support Iran, maybe you could try explaining that to Shira, who seems intent on claiming the opposite?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:38 AM

53. "yr fixation with Mr Falk"

"yr fixation with Mr Falk"

This OP is ALL about Falk.The bigoted one the Obama administration has criticized and rebuked harshly.

(Take a look at the 1st post )

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Response to King_David (Reply #53)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:42 AM

64. The OP is about a call to boycott the settlements...

Take a look at the OP. Read it. Then look at the incessant attempts by someone else in the thread to make it all about Mr Falk, rather than about the issue of the settlements themselves. That behaviour is definitely fixating...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:47 PM

56. Educate yourself on Canada

Yes the Governing party ,including the openly Gay Foreign Minister is a bunch of right wing loons (nothing compared to Republicans though), but policy with respect to Israel is almost the same for all 3 parties :

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NDP (official opposition and LEFT wing party ) Leader Thomas Mulcair “I am an ardent supporter of Israel in all situations and in all circumstances.” *

~Thomas Mulcair, quoted in Canadian Jewish News, May 1st, 2008



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Liberal Party Leader Bob RAE : OTTAWA– Liberal leader Bob Rae made the following statement today on Israel Independence Day:

“Today, we celebrate the founding of the State of Israel.

We also celebrate the contributions of the Jewish community to Canadian society, as well as the strong and deep ties between Canada and the people of Israel.

As I reaffirmed to Prime Minister Netanyahu in our February meeting, the Liberal Party continues to be steadfastly committed to Israel’s right to exist and flourish within secure and recognised borders, and remains in solidarity with the people of Israel as they face continuing threats to their peace and security. I look forward to being able to share these same thoughts with President Shimon Peres on his official visit to Canada the first week of May.

On behalf of the Liberal Party of Canada and our parliamentary caucus, I extend my best wishes to all those celebrating the 64th anniversary of the founding of the State of Israel. Yom Ha’atzmaut sameach!”


http://www.cija.ca/israel-advocacy/statement-from-liberal-leader-bob-rae-on-israel-independence-day/

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Response to King_David (Reply #56)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:45 AM

65. Already educated. Maybe you could educate yrself more about Canada...

Just curious, but what has the foreign minister being gay got to do with anything? It's kind of creepy how you brought that up out of the blue like that. He's a RW extremist, Muslim hating piece of shit. That's all that matters about him...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #65)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:32 AM

68. It's just further proof what a great liberal progressive

country Canada is,in that Baird is in the most right wing party in that great land.

we could only wish the USA or Australia were that liberal or progressive .

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Response to King_David (Reply #68)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:40 AM

70. Canada has an extremist RW Muslim-hating bigot as a foreign minister...

Whether he's gay or not is totally irrelevant to that, though I can imagine that people who have problems seeing criticism of the current extreme RW Canadian govt might try throwing in little bits of this and that to try to garner any praise at all for them

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #70)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:19 AM

71. True but if only Australia was nearly as progressive as Canada

I can only wish .

But that's for another thread and another forum .

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Response to King_David (Reply #71)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:25 AM

72. Huh? Unlike Canada, we've got a LW government...

And one with a woman as Prime Minister. But yeah, save it for another time to tell me how much more progressive Canada is under its current bunch of RW lunatics than Australia with a Leftwing Labor government and the Greens holding the balance of power in the Senate. It should be amusing!

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #72)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:30 AM

73. Unlike Australia the progressiveness of Canada is not

At the whim of the left or right leanings of the flavor of the government of the day.

Gay rights , Gay marriage, Gay adoption rules all remain intact weather it's a left or right government in power.

Australia ? Not so much .

( and that makes me sad for my land )

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Response to King_David (Reply #73)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:39 AM

74. The current Canadian govt is NOT progressive at all. They're RW wankers...

It doesn't matter what they claim to think on LGBT issues, nor where you get the strange idea that LGBT issues are the only ones that matter. There's a whole lot of issues that are important, not just that one.

The Canadian govt is a bunch of fucking bigoted conservative critters. I'm not sure why yr objecting to people daring to criticise them here at DU. The Australian govt is LW, as are the Greens in the Senate. It's clear you have little to no knowledge of Australia, and I'd suggest if you genuinelly wanted to learn about my country, you visit the Australia forum and learn something. Australia's a whole lot more than someone who took a two week holiday and visited Bondi Beach would believe it is, just as an example

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to feel sad that you feel sad for Canada. I feel sad for Canada whenever I listen to Nickelback, so I guess I can sorta feel yr pain....

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #74)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:31 AM

75. I guess (as you keep telling me ) you never understood my post again

But I was talking about the law of the land not the government .

But you right I do love Bondi Beach ... One of my favorite restaurants , Mi Vami , is there with excellent Israeli Jewish cuisine and there's also a spa there selling Ahava bath products that my skin loves so much.
The actual beach is pretty cool too .. Fun fun fun...

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Response to King_David (Reply #75)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:15 PM

78. No, I think you make no sense

You throw random things in that have nothing to do with what's being discussed. For examp,e you say yr going on about the law of the land when what you were responding to was me pointing out that the current conservative bigoted Canadian govt were doing their usual blind and unthinking support of Israel's settlements.


Yeah, tourists do have a thing for bondi beach, I've noticed. Some think after spending a week or two in Sydney they become experts on Australia.

Btw, do you oppose boycotting the settlements? I asked you in another post but you must have missed it

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #78)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:05 AM

85. To be honest I found this post very muddled and difficult to understand

I will try read it again later when I get some time and respond then.
( if necessary )

I do appreciate the reply though , thank you .

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Response to King_David (Reply #85)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:19 AM

89. It was a very simple question. Do you oppose boycotting the settlements?

It doesn't take more than the most basic comprehension skills to understand it.

If you really are struggling to understand simple sentences, I'd suggest you get someone with time and patience to sit and explain it to you. Or you could explain to me what's confusing you and I'll attempt to write it in an even more basic way

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #74)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:31 PM

76. Newsflash , LGBT rights ,Gay Rights etc

Are THE most important litmus test of progressiveness , respect for human rights , credentialing , or whatever you want to call it, for any western civilized country in the last 2 decades . AS important as women's right were before it.

And that's fact .

Have you been to many other western civilized countries ? Because ill tell you that to my chagrin , when I speak with Australians daily they don't seem to get the above notion.

If a country does not provide equal LGBT rights including Gay Marriage and Adoption to its populace it is NOT progressive nor liberal .

The USA is moving in that direction ,so is Israel , Canada has moved.

Australia ? Not so much, and in my day to day interactions with "regular Australians" including those who consider themselves left wing ,they just don't seem to get that this is probably the most important step in Human rights presently ( anecdotally ).

Of course that is in Western Civilized countries . In other countries like Iran , Gaza, Saudi Arabia etc they need work on the very basic human rights including LGBT rights.

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Response to King_David (Reply #76)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:08 PM

77. Newsflash. There's many issues that are just as important

Yr own personal opinion doesn't make something fact. And trying to overlook right wing extremism or bigotry against other minority groups by using the excuse that they support gay rights is really stupid. Women's rights are still important, as are the rights of refugees and the rights of minority groups. For example if we were to get a RW govt that supported marriage equality, would you think that's all that matters even though that govt could be making abortion illegal, stripping rights from workers, discriminating against Muslims and inciting hatred of 'illegal immigrants'? That would be really stupid.

Edited to add - just in case anyone alerts on this post, I just want to point out that I'm a strong supporter of marriage equality, as is most other LW Aussies I know..I just don't believe in placing it above all other human rights issues as no reasonable person expects others to choose one human rights issue and turn a blind eye to others.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #77)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:54 AM

82. Yep as i predicted ,that's the view I have

found anecdotally among ordinary Australians ( even those who consider themselves progressive or left wing)

There's a way to go here .

( and with that I will leave this LGBT diversion as the thread has veered off topic albeit in a very revealing fashion )

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Response to King_David (Reply #82)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:04 AM

84. I doubt a belief that all human rights are important is unique to Australian LWers

In fact, there's very few people who turn a blind eye to, or condone bigotry and the fight for rights for other minority groups because they only care about one group...

Next time you yet again try to create some off-topic LGBT diversion in this group, you might like to consider that. It beats doing the lame thing and implying that anyone who dares to attack RW extremists like the Canadian foreign minister is by extension homophobic. I'm sure there's some troll somewhere who'll jump on yr bandwagon, though

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #84)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:07 AM

86. Thank you for your revealing reply.nt

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Response to King_David (Reply #86)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:16 AM

88. No worries. I hope it does reveal that many of us support human rights for all minority groups...

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Response to King_David (Reply #76)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:28 AM

79. another news flash

I found this quote disturbing to say the least

AS important as women's right were before it..

so women's rights are no longer important? IMO both Gay and Women's rights are important and in my country that would be the US both are quite endangered at the moment

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #79)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:50 AM

80. Nope you got it wrong

LGBT rights are yet to achieve what women have successfully achieved in the civilized world .

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Response to King_David (Reply #80)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:52 AM

81. This is an inconvenient truth for some

The LGBT rights fight seems to get muddled for certain folks because of their stance on I/P.

If you see someone use the term "pinkwashing" you know what I mean.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #81)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:59 AM

83. I know it's weird to think I have to have these kind of " debates "

On a left wing progressive site such as DU .

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Response to King_David (Reply #83)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:14 AM

87. I don't know what 'debate' you think yr having...

The recap so far is you try to defend a RW extremist Muslim-hating Canadian politican by mentioning he's gay. My reponse is so what? That's got nothing to do with him being a fucking bigoted RW piece of crap. You make some bizarre claim that LGBT rights are the sole litmus test and make an incredibly telling comment about how little respect you have for women's rights. I point out the bleeding obvious that the human rights of one group can't be placed above all others and give you examples. You say yr leaving (again) and huff a bit about *me* (wtf?) diverting the thread by talking about LGBT issues. Then you swiftly return when someone who clearly has difficulty comphrending the concept of human rights blunders in to agree with you...

But I know what you mean about seeing weird things on a left wing progressive site such as DU. Why, back at DU2, I remember the time someone insisted that saying that they hate Muslims isn't Islamophobic at all. Pretty disgusting that bigotry like that show it's face at DU...

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #87)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:44 AM

90. I agree that is a disgusting thing to say,

But it has nothing to do with my reply to Oberliner .

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Response to King_David (Reply #90)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:50 AM

91. Really? I'm impressed!

Last edited Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:13 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=358701&mesg_id=358866

btw, my response had everything to do with yr reply to a reply that had nothing to do with what I originally said...

So, how are you going with getting round to answering the question you were asked about whether you opposed a boycott of the settlements? Let me know if yr still having trouble understanding the question. I'm sure there's other DUers who'll be happy to help out and break it down a bit more for you

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #91)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:14 AM

100. You posted a post of mine out of context,but thanks, I am proud to say I do not give a fuck...



...who the Homophobic turds are , or what culture or religion they arise from...

if they are Queer hating homophobes ...

FUCK THEM...

And I am proud to say that...

Got a problem with that ?????????????????????

( and Oberliner is right , I am one queer that has always refused to be bullied )

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Response to King_David (Reply #100)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:13 AM

106. The context was that LUcas said 'I hate Muslims'

And you defended his hatred by saying it wasn't Isalmophobic. He was talking about Muslims, who aren't 'homophobic turds'. It's extremely bigoted For someone to say they hate Muslims, Jews, women, gays or any other minority group. Sorry, but there's no justification for someone saying they hate an entire minority group. It doesnt matter who they are.

It looks like you've changed yr mind now and no longer stand by what you said only two posts back.

You and oberliner can play yr game without me. If you think yr being bullied, alert and go and take it to Meta, but you aren't being bullied because people you don't agree with dare to disagree with you when you imply they're homophobes.

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #106)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 07:58 AM

108. No I will not alert ,prefer people to see these posts nt

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Response to King_David (Reply #90)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:16 AM

92. Don't let them bully you

That's one of their primary tactics. Helps them deal with the cognitive dissonance.

Stay strong!

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Response to oberliner (Reply #92)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:34 AM

93. No-one's bullying anyone, not even the ones who've accused me of really nasty stuff...

Y'now, like the one calling me a white supremacist and the one who told me I support Iran and don't support Democrats. That's just inane nonsense rather than bullying. I haven't seen any pile-ons in here for a while, so I'm not sure who 'they' are or why you appeared earlier on to be making some nasty implication that I was homophobic. If yr accusing me of bullying that poster, then you should back up the thread and take note that they were the one who replied to my post first, and they're the one who's been implying in more than one post that I'm a homophobe. You don't think that's bullying, yet can see bullying in something that's not?

on edit: have I done something wrong, Oberliner? It's just you've been popping up making some pretty nasty implications. I'd prefer to stay out of that sort of stuff and just discuss the I/P conflict. Are you in?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #93)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:37 PM

94. " I'd prefer to stay out of that sort of stuff"

I applaud you turning over a new leaf.

Thanks ....

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Response to King_David (Reply #94)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 03:43 PM

95. Always have, and I don't like being dragged into it...

I'll make the same suggestion to you as I did to Obie. If yr not interested, then that's fine with me, but I thought I'd give you the chance...

Getting back to the topic, are you opposed to boycotting the settlements?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #95)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:39 AM

101. My views are identical to the Obama administration's and

that of the vast majority of the Democratic party representatives as well as Susan Rice and the official party platform.


Look it up.

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Response to King_David (Reply #101)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:13 AM

104. I asked you whether you opposed boycotting the settlements

I didn't ask you who or what you think you agree with because I'm not interested in anything but what you think.

I hope at some point in the future you do decide to participate in a civil and respectful way in this group, because running round throwing ugly and false accusations round and refusing to discuss the conflict when asked to is pretty disruptive behavior. I won't waste my time any more responding to you or yr buddy who came up with the fantasy that I'm somehow bullying you, and you can both continue yr pile-on without me.

Have fun

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #104)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:02 AM

109. It's disruptive to say I share the same views as Obama

And the Democratic Party here on DU?

(Gives my head a shake )

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Response to King_David (Reply #109)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:12 AM

111. Obama would be called a "hasbarist" and a "Zionist stooge" by some here

People are taking a POV that is diametrically opposed to that of President Obama and the Democratic Party and then accusing those on the other side of being disruptive.

That's the irony of all this.

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Response to King_David (Reply #94)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 10:11 PM

97. It's all part of the game

Don't let yourself be fooled. There is a pattern with the posts that is unmistakeable. No new leaves have been turned, believe me.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #97)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:03 AM

103. I'll ask you again obie. Have I done something to piss you off?

We were getting on fine prior to me leaving the group for a few months, but since I returned a few days ago, you've made nasty and untrue accusations about me, been really unpleasant, and now have taken to attacking me by getting into a pile-on with another poster. If yr concerned about bullying, you might want to stop doing that stuff, because it's really making this forum suck.

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Response to King_David (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 07:57 AM

15. I'm not sure what you think was a ridiculous statement...

Yr very difficult to understand. Maybe you could try rephrasing whatever it is you want to say?

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:40 AM

23. Nah it's understood by a general audience

No need for me to do any such thing.



(Quite the rude post btw , but that's fine )

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Response to King_David (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:43 AM

27. What's understood? Again yr making no sense...

I'm at a complete loss as to what statement I'm supposed to have made that was ridiculous. Seeing that yr unwilling to say what it was, I'll make the safe assumption there was nothing wrong with my scathing criticism of those wanker Conservatives in the Canadian government...

btw, there was nothing rude about my post. Yr post made no sense and I asked you to explain. You say that to people all the time. Why don't you consider it rude when you say it? Like in this case http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=16451 Now, that WAS rude and snarky!

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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:07 AM

45. Bye bye

Taking my ball and leaving you to play by yourself.

I woke up in a good mood unlike some other grumpy people..

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Response to King_David (Reply #45)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:47 AM

66. Yeah, probably not such a great idea to say that post was nasty, not when you've said that yrself...

I guess if I'd got caught doing that, I'd imply that the person who pointed it out was Mr/Mz crankypants, pretend I was in a chipper mood, and then tell everyone I'm taking my bat and ball and going home, and then reappear further up in the thread

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