Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:09 AM
polly7 (7,787 posts)
Israel‘S Formula For A Starvation Diet
By Jonathan Cook
Wednesday, October 24, 2012 Excerpts: "But a rather different picture emerges as one reads the small print. While the health ministry determined that Gazans needed daily an average of 2,279 calories each to avoid malnutrition – requiring 170 trucks a day – military officials then found a host of pretexts to whittle down the trucks to a fraction of the original figure. The reality was that, in this period, an average of only 67 trucks – much less than half of the minimum requirement – entered Gaza daily. This compared to more than 400 trucks before the blockade began. To achieve this large reduction, officials deducted trucks based both on an over-generous assessment of how much food could be grown locally and on differences in the ”culture and experience” of food consumption in Gaza, a rationale never explained. Gisha, the organisation that fought for the document’s publication, observes that Israeli officials ignored the fact that the blockade had severely impaired Gaza’s farming industry, with a shortage of seeds and chickens that had led to a dramatic drop in food output." More: http://www.zcommunications.org/israel-s-formula-for-a-starvation-diet-by-jonathan-cook
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19 replies, 1027 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| polly7 | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| holdencaufield | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| Mimosa | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| oberliner | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| holdencaufield | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| Violet_Crumble | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| shaayecanaan | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| Mimosa | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| oberliner | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| holdencaufield | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| Mimosa | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| Mimosa | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| holdencaufield | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| Violet_Crumble | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| oberliner | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| Violet_Crumble | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| azurnoir | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| Violet_Crumble | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| azurnoir | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| Violet_Crumble | Oct 2012 | #18 |
Response to polly7 (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:14 AM
holdencaufield (2,927 posts)
1. Are you still flogging ...
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... the totally debunked "Gazans are starving" meme?
Seriously, do you not know that people have access to the Internet and can see for themselves what bollocks that is?
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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #1)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:20 AM
Mimosa (9,115 posts)
3. Are all the UN reports wrong then?
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:21 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) What about the UN reports which state gaza will become uninhabitable by 2020?
http://www.ibtimes.com/job-scenario-palestinian-youths-very-grim-un-report-779599 Excerpt:
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Response to Mimosa (Reply #3)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:15 AM
oberliner (22,150 posts)
5. The UN Report ascribes many reasons for that prediction
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Among them, the Hamas-Fatah split.
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Response to Mimosa (Reply #3)
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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #1)
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 09:37 PM
Violet_Crumble (29,262 posts)
12. Just checked that last pic, and it comes from a RW blog. Why am I not surprised?
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http://countercultureconservative.files.wordpress.com
It's got some really ugly stuff there, including a call to support the anti-Muslim hatemonger, Geert Wilders. You probably should be a bit more careful of where you hang out on the internet, lest you start to give the impression you actually share the views of blogs like that one... btw, it really does help to read rather than go into instant knee-jerk mode. It's fact that Israel had a formula worked out so that Gazans would have just enough that they wouldn't end up malnourished. The problem with photos, especially when they come from hatesites like the third one, is they're not credible. There's no way of knowing when and where they were taken, what context they're in, or whether they've been manipulated after being taken... |
Response to holdencaufield (Reply #1)
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:29 AM
shaayecanaan (3,809 posts)
19. i seem to remember
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that exact same photo being used by another poster to make the exact same shitty argument about a week ago.
Seriously, is there a playbook or something, containing a full list of similarly shitty arguments? Whatever you might think of my arguments, at least they're my own. |
Response to polly7 (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:16 AM
Mimosa (9,115 posts)
2. Native Americans were treated similarly on reservations
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Also, this reminded me of how people confined to the Warsaw Ghetto were treated.
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Response to Mimosa (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:13 AM
oberliner (22,150 posts)
4. The Warsaw Ghetto?
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I think you ought to reconsider that comparison.
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Response to Mimosa (Reply #2)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:19 AM
holdencaufield (2,927 posts)
7. Comparing Jews to Nazis ...
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... is against the established rules for this group. Would you care to retract?
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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #7)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:30 PM
Mimosa (9,115 posts)
8. I didn't know there were rules. Sorry.
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:31 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Many years ago I had read about that era so I knew about the ration and the control of foodstuffs allowed in to the Warsaw ghetto. I did not and would not call Israelis Nazis. Yet, history seems to include strange ironies.
To me the history of what happened to the people of Palestine beginning around 1900 has always reminded me, a Native American, of what happened to my ancestors. My father's parents were Cherokee and Creek, my grandmother's were Apache and Spanish. I'd read of Secretary of State Clinton's overtures to Chile and some other South American nation to ask them to accept a good number of Palestinians as refugees. That struck me as ironical too. |
Response to Mimosa (Reply #8)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:51 PM
Mimosa (9,115 posts)
9. Just an addition
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I didn't want to edit in order to add the link. In 2008 Condoleezza Rice first proposed the settlement of Palestinian refugees in Chile and Argentina:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/25/palestine-papers-refugees-south-america I believe Hillary had also brought up the proposal in 2010. |
Response to Mimosa (Reply #8)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:00 PM
holdencaufield (2,927 posts)
10. Perhaps you're genuinely unaware ...
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... but Ms Clinton and Ms Rice aren't actually Israelis.
Or, do you think they operate under the control of the Israelis? |
Response to holdencaufield (Reply #7)
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 09:02 PM
Violet_Crumble (29,262 posts)
11. There are no established rules for this group...
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It used to be against the rules, as was what you constantly do, which is equating Israelis with Jews and talking about one as though it's the other...
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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #11)
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:07 AM
oberliner (22,150 posts)
13. You are wrong
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It was never against the rules. Maybe you should re-read them. They are pinned to the top of this forum.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #13)
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:11 AM
Violet_Crumble (29,262 posts)
14. What was never against the rules?
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Last edited Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:17 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) Equating Israelis with Jews? Comparing Israelis with Nazis?
I've read the old guidelines more times than I care to remember, and when I just checked, they're exactly the same as they were when Lithos posted them here from the old DU2 forum. And both things are against the old rules... •Do not use the term "Zionist" to mean "Jew" or "Israeli." Do not use the term "Jew" to mean "Israeli". and when it comes to the whole comparing Israel to the Nazis, this covers it. •Do not compare Middle East regional leaders and parties to Hitler or the Nazis. Use of these terms is considered inflammatory and should be avoided. |
Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #14)
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:17 AM
azurnoir (26,664 posts)
15. Not to mention equating Palestinians with terrorists
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Last edited Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:18 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) unfortunately accessing I/P on DU2 is impossible at the moment as we're on level2 and when you go to DU2 the topics and my forums feature is gone at least for the time being
eta what is pinned to the top of this group is an abbreviated version of the old rules |
Response to azurnoir (Reply #15)
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:01 AM
Violet_Crumble (29,262 posts)
16. Yep, back at DU2 all that resulted in deleted posts...
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Last edited Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:02 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Ah, we're at DEFCON 9 already? I don't have the link back to DU2 or else I'd have taken up residence there pretending that Lithos and UGRR were still our benevolent rulers, but I'm pretty sure that the old guidelines from DU2 that Lithos pinned at the top of the group were the only version, and the only abbreviated version of DU2 rules were the main ones that covered everything.
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Response to Violet_Crumble (Reply #16)
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:17 AM
azurnoir (26,664 posts)
17. I kept my DU2 link
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and I think when I checked the about this forum the page did not fully load because when I did just now it did, everyone's home at my house and that means 4 (tonight) people riding the same internet connection so it tends to slow down quite a bit
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Response to azurnoir (Reply #17)
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:11 AM
Violet_Crumble (29,262 posts)
18. You think that's bad. Try a teenage kid downloading multiple movies!
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When she does that, my SimCity Social time just dies, and my crops in Farmville2 end up withering! I can hardly wait till she moves in with her bf. I can move onto a lower plan than the 60 gazillion gig one I'm on now to cater for her insatiable need to download crap
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