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Wed Aug 29, 2012, 12:02 AM

Arafat’s death now a murder investigation, French prosecutors say

PARIS—French prosecutors opened a murder inquiry into the death of Yasser Arafat on Tuesday, his widow's lawyer said, after she and a TV investigation raised new questions about whether the Palestinian leader was poisoned.

There have long been rumours in the Arab world that Arafat was poisoned, and a Swiss lab's recent finding of elevated levels of polonium-210 — a rare and highly lethal radioactive substance — on Arafat's clothing has fed those claims.

However, the Institute of Radiation Physics said its findings were inconclusive and that only exhuming Arafat's remains could bring possible clarity. Palestinian officials have waffled on that matter — initially approving the exhumation and then saying the matter needed more study — only further fueling suspicions.

Arafat died in a French military hospital in 2004 of what doctors have said was a massive stroke, but the Swiss lab's tests have renewed interest in his death. The findings were first broadcast by Arab satellite TV station Al-Jazeera, which approached the lab on behalf of Arafat's widow, Suha. She provided the lab with his clothing and other belongings


http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1248142--arafat-s-death-now-a-murder-investigation-french-prosecutors-say

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Reply Arafat’s death now a murder investigation, French prosecutors say (Original post)
King_David Aug 2012 OP
BlueStreak Aug 2012 #1
oberliner Aug 2012 #2
Shaktimaan Sep 2012 #6
BlueStreak Sep 2012 #7
holdencaufield Sep 2012 #8
BlueStreak Sep 2012 #10
Shaktimaan Sep 2012 #12
Shaktimaan Sep 2012 #9
BlueStreak Sep 2012 #11
Shaktimaan Sep 2012 #13
BlueStreak Sep 2012 #14
holdencaufield Sep 2012 #15
Shaktimaan Sep 2012 #16
Alamuti Lotus Aug 2012 #3
oberliner Aug 2012 #4
holdencaufield Aug 2012 #5

Response to King_David (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 12:09 AM

1. It seemed obvious to me he had been poisoned

What I didn't understand is why the media didn't ask any of the obvious questions. Maybe they were afraid of getting the same treatment if they asked too many questions.

But why did it take this long to investigate? Didn't that occur to anybody at the time?

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:03 PM

2. Maybe they don't really want to find out

Perhaps the answer will create more problems.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:17 PM

6. It seemed obvious to you?

Ummm, not to question your expertise or access to relevant evidence and suspects, but based on WHAT?

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Response to Shaktimaan (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 11:49 PM

7. Based on

1) The Israeli frustration with the standoff that had gone on a very long time

2) The willingness of all the top spy operations to kill their opponents in mysterious ways.

3) The fact that the illness came on suddenly

4) The symptoms sounded like a poisoning -- vital organs shutting down in a matter of days.

5) He was under the care of expert doctors who could not help him

6) They quickly buried him and then we never heard a word from either side -- basically both sides understood the message.

7) The usual cover-up in situations like this.

A person doesn't have to be much of an expert to smell a rat. The fact that nobody in high places ever spoke a word of what seemed perfectly obvious made it pretty clear that was what happened.

It is not as obvious WHO did the assassination. As other posts on this thread have indicated, there might have been motives on both sides.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:28 AM

8. Based on he was ...

 

... 75 years old, had Parkinson's Disease and was in ill-health for several years before he died?

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:31 AM

10. Parkinson's is easily diagnosed.

Hey, I don't require that you agree with me.

I simply said it was obvious TO ME at the time that he had been poisoned. It was and it still is.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:57 AM

12. That is probably...

how they knew that he had it.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 01:46 AM

9. I dunno...

1) This doesn't sounds like a very convincing reason to me. Annoyance over the geriatric pace of the standoff?

2) But I thought you said that it was unclear who even killed him? Do the Palestinians have a top spy operation now? Besides, isn't this statement just evidence that IF the Shabak killed him they may have done it in a cool way, such as poison? The same could be said of virtually any death.

3) Aren't strokes usually somewhat sudden? Have you ever heard of a creeping stroke?

4) They also sound like any number of hundreds of more likely possibilities.

5) So was Jim Henson. Everyone dies eventually. Besides, they waited days before flying him to France.

6) A fast burial is required in Islam. And both sides said all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. It was Thallium, Israel poisoned his medicine, someone injected him with AIDS, it was food poisoning, it was radiation, etc. Besides, how would this be evidence of spy-poisoning anyway?

7) The usual cover up in situations like this.... is... some... thing? Was this a point or a typo or... something else?

A person doesn't have to be much of an expert to smell a rat.

No, I guess not.

The fact that nobody in high places ever spoke a word of what seemed perfectly obvious made it pretty clear that was what happened.

So the lack of anyone commenting on his obvious poisoning is further proof of his poisoning? I kind of feel like there might be a problem with your reasoning there.

It is not as obvious WHO did the assassination.

Right. It could have been ANY one of the local top notch espionage outfits. (Or maybe even ALL of them! Dun dun dun!)

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Response to Shaktimaan (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 10:32 AM

11. Strokes are easily diagnosed

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:01 AM

13. They are...

which is how we know that he died of one.

Look, it is fine of you want to believe in this poisoning conspiracy theory, it's your right. But it is worth noting that you don't actually have the slightest bit of evidence pointing to such a diagnosis aside from your hunch.

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Response to Shaktimaan (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:18 PM

14. This was not a normal stroke. it was only a "stroke" in the sense

that there was arterial rupture in the brain. But it was not the sort of "stroke" that most people are familiar with caused by clotting. In fact, the cause for this "stroke" was never found.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b61ddb74-2058-11da-b59e-00000e2511c8.html#axzz26HRDpBDG

The medical records of Yasir Arafat, which have been kept secret since his unexplained death last year at a French military hospital, show that he died from a stroke that resulted from a bleeding disorder caused by an unidentified infection.


But even the French doctors never discovered the specific cause of the infection that led to the bleeding disorder, the records show. “It’s a big puzzle,” said a specialist in infectious diseases.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 07:36 PM

15. There are different kinds of "normal" strokes ...

 

A stroke is a loss of blood flow to the brain and can be caused by a vascular occlusion ischemia (embolotic or thrombic) or by aneurysm (burst blood vessel that causes blood to pool into the brain) -- the kind that killed Arafat.

Aneurysms are very common and can occur suddenly wherever the arteries are weakened or distorted -- there are many people walking around today with undiagnosed weakened arteries caused by arteriosclerosis, blunt trauma, or infection. Unless the site of the arterial weakening is already forming a saccular aneurysm it would be undetectable, even with an MRI.

The only way to determine the specific cause of an aneurysm is by autopsy of the damaged tissue for signs of infection or pre-aneurysm trauma. Arafat's wife and the PA Leadership refused to allow an autopsy so it would be impossible to determine the cause of the aneurysm.

Infections from one part of the body, if not completely cured, can (and frequently do) travel via the blood stream to other parts of the body where they can lay dormant and cause later problems. This is one reason why doctors always stress completing your course of antibiotics, even if your symptoms are gone. It is common for an infection from decades previous to cause arterial damage that leads to aneurysm so there isn't even a way to specifically determine what infection caused the arterial damage even with an autopsy.

People die of brain aneurysms every single day, the Brain Aneurysm Society(1) claims there is a brain aneurysm rupturing every 18 minutes in the US alone -- there is no conspiracy.

(1) http://www.bafound.org/node/124

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #14)

Thu Sep 13, 2012, 07:17 AM

16. "Unidentified infection. "

In other words... POISON!!!

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Response to King_David (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:43 PM

3. never really believed that theory; qui bono?

 

the chump played the role of zionist punching bag so well, why would they want to off him? He served and safeguarded the zionist occupation almost as well as that unrepenent antisemite Abbas is now (a thankless service, of course). On the other hand, his corruption kept his inner circle rich enough off Gulf money, so they'd have no interest in changing the status quo either. Oh well, speculation is fun.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:03 PM

4. Perhaps he wasn't murdered by a Zionist?

Maybe that's why it's taken so long for this investigation.

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Response to King_David (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:47 PM

5. When you investigate a murder ...

 

... you look for motive and opportunity.

My money is on Suha Arafat.

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