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(obligatory seasonal Bethlehem thread!)IF JOSEPH and Mary were making their way to Bethlehem today, the Christmas story would be a little different, says Father Ibrahim Shomali, a parish priest in the town. The couple would struggle to get into the city, let alone find a place to stay.
''If Jesus were to come this year, Bethlehem would be closed,'' says the priest of Bethlehem's Beit Jala parish. ''He would either have to be born at a checkpoint or at the separation wall. Mary and Joseph would have needed Israeli permission - or to have been tourists.
''This really is the big problem for Palestinians in Bethlehem: what will happen when they close us off completely?''
Bethlehem swells with pride every Christmas. Manger Square is transformed into a grotto of lights and stalls crowned by a towering Christmas tree. Strings of illuminated angels, stars and bells festoon the streets.
But just a few minutes' drive to the north, the festive atmosphere stops abruptly.
A strip of Israeli settlements built on 18 square kilometres of what was once northern Bethlehem threatens to cut the city off from its historic twin, Jerusalem.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/christmas-spirit-crushed-in-besieged-bethlehem-20111223-1p8i8.html#ixzz1hRgQ0iCH
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Happy holidays, merry christmas, happy hanukah, and happy anything else I haven't thought of!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Did you participate in the annual tradition of The Airing Of Grievances?
Mosby
(16,295 posts)If Mary and Joseph tried to get to Bethlehem today, it would be difficult.
They were Jewish.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)they would be welcomed at a Jewish hospital in nearby East Jerusalem and if it were an emergency Magen David Adom* would gladly rush them there no need for Jews to go a shabby little Arab burg like Bethlehem these days
* word has it they recently changed the emblom on some of their ambulances in the WB something they promised the ICRC they'd do nearly 7 years ago
shira
(30,109 posts)They'd be illegal Zionist settlers in your opinion, now wouldn't they?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)to reside in the OPT so yes ya got me lol
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)controlled, why? especially when there are much nicer Jewish settlements very close by, you attempt to paint a picture that would not exist today as Jews in the OPT are not the ones living under a hostile occupation
shira
(30,109 posts)...by the Palestinians there, now would they?
Of course not, but you already knew that.
Goes to show the OP is absurd and what passes for "pro-Palestinian" commentary on I/P these days is complete nonsense.
Mosby
(16,295 posts)We don't need to speculate:
http://www.mouse.co.il/CM.articles_item,610,209,65303,.aspx
"That day there was a funeral in the neighborhood of Silwan in East Jerusalem, and I went up to Jerusalem to photograph it for the Russian news agency. At the funeral there was a commotion and disturbances, so we expected a mess. I stood at a major intersection located above the where they have the tent demonstrations in the neighborhood, just below the Cinematheque, and there were bunch of kids who were throwing stones at passing vehicles. For every vehicle they checked if the driver was Jewish and [if so] threw stones at him. At one point, a string of cars passed and the children ran toward the vehicle and began to throw stones at it; the driver pulled the steering wheel and hit the children.
This picture undoubtedly is highly debatable. My job as a photographer is to document the scene - the events I shoot were happening with or without the presence of the camera. I started taking journalism because I wanted to see with my own eyes how everything looks, on the news every reporter puts his personal views . The press here in Israel have a very big problem when the photographer becomes part of the news - then it's not news, it's propaganda. The average reader should be able to read between the lines and understand the truth, and not the opinion of some writers and editors."
FYI - The picture doesn't show the completely shattered back window of the car, so it's highly deceptive. Naturally the photographer just won an award for it.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/photo-of-stone-throwers-getting-hit-by-car-in-east-jerusalem-wins-award-1.401251
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)seems you want a select reading audience for that one The incident from 10/10 where a settler ran over a kid in Silwan? The kid was arrested by Israeli authorities the settler was exonerated of any wrong doing what's to complain about ?
oh the photograph won an award that's a problem isn't it
however explain why Magen David Admon would be going through side streets in Slwan
but you had to get that one in some way huh?
shira
(30,109 posts)...living in the territories under Palestinian authority these days.
They'd be regarded as Zionist settlers not only by Palestinians but the International Community and UN, which would accuse them of illegally trying to settle in Bethlehem on Palestinian property.
If Joseph, Mary, and baby Jesus decided to live in Bethlehem, their home would be the target of multiple katyusha and kassam attacks. The family would probably be massacred just like the Fogels, and baby Jesus' throat would be slashed. Their proud murderers would be regarded as heroes by both Hamas and the PA. Streets and sports stadiums would be named after them.
The media would minimize the incident, attempting to portray any Israeli response as equally offensive. They'd probably report the story in such a way as to show Mary had it coming from her zealoted murderers since Jesus was born out of wedlock.
The UN would do nothing to condemn the act. I doubt they'd even condemn the hanging of the 3 wise men for sorcery right down the street from Jesus' family.
Not a very realistic portrayal of reality.
I'm saddened that my more realistic version of Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem wouldn't make it into the Guardian or any mainstream media. I wonder if it would be considered as insensitive and hateful as the OP and therefore unworthy of making it into the paper.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Betlehem
Source: Wikitravel
Bethlehem (Arabic: بيت لحم, Beit Lahm Hebrew: בית לחם Beit Lechem)[1] is a small city located some 10 km (6 miles) south of the Old City of Jerusalem within the West Bank, in an "Area A" zone administered by the Palestinian Authority.
The "little town" of Bethlehem, mentioned in any number of Christmas carols, attracts pilgrims worldwide on account of its description in the New Testament (and particularly the Gospels) as the birthplace of Jesus, whom Christians believe to be Messiah and Son of God. The Church of the Nativity, one of the oldest churches in the world, is the focus of Christian veneration within the city.
Bethlehem is revered by Jews as the birthplace and home town of David, King of Israel, as well as the traditional site of Rachel's Tomb (on the outskirts of the town).
Although also home to many Muslims, Bethlehem remains home to one of the largest Arab Christian communities in the Middle East (despite significant emigration in recent years, resulting in a growing Muslim majority) and one of the chief cultural and tourism drawcards for the Palestinian community. The Bethlehem agglomeration also includes the small towns of Beit Jala and Beit Sahour, the latter also having biblical significance.
Building up to the Millenium in the year 2000, Bethlehem underwent a massive largely foreign-funded project called Bethlehem 2000 in hopes of turning Bethlehem into a major tourist destination comparable to destinations such as Jerusalem or Tel Aviv in tourism infrastructure. Unfortunately a year later, the Palestinian uprising against the Israeli occupation occured and the ensuing violence scuttled these tourism efforts. With the Palestinian uprising and violent clashes between both sides now have been over and done wiith for quite a few years, violence is now a thing of the past and many in Bethlehem hope to continue on where Bethlehem 2000 started them off.
Read more: http://wikitravel.org/en/Bethlehem
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Scroll down for the slideshow!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/24/christmas-2011-bethlehem_n_1168957.html#s572505
King_David
(14,851 posts)henank
(800 posts)Crowds return to enjoy merry Christmas in Bethlehem
It is so typical of Palestinian and anti-Israel reporting to conflate Jesus with Palestinian. He was Jewish.
Violet_Crumble
(35,958 posts)The OP says that tourists and Israelis have no problems getting into Bethlehem, so I'm not sure what posting something about crowds in Bethlehem is supposed to prove...
btw, are you seriously trying to claim there's no such thing as a Palestinian who happens to be Jewish?
Mosby
(16,295 posts)snip
In the media there are, to be sure, small lies, big lies and moral obscenities.
The small lie in Greenwoods tale pertains to her suggestion that Bethlehem is being economically strangled by Israeli policy.
The big lie is that Israeli Jews are, in any way, oppressing Christians.
The morally obscene charge is that, if Christ, Mary and Joseph were all alive today, theyd be persecuted by the Jewish state.
The indisputable fact, however, is that Israel remains the sole nation in the Middle East where Christians thrive and worship freely.
Is this even debatable?
http://cifwatch.com/2011/12/23/how-the-jews-steal-christmas-ugly-guardian-story-evokes-jesus-as-an-oppressed-palestinian/
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Hell, even the Qur'an notes Isa/Jesus and Mary as being of the people of Moses.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)'If Jesus were to come this year, Bethlehem would be closed'
If Joseph and Mary were making their way to Bethlehem today, the Christmas story would be a little different, says Father Ibrahim Shomali, a parish priest in the town. The couple would struggle to get into the city, let alone find a hotel room.
"If Jesus were to come this year, Bethlehem would be closed," says the priest of Bethlehem's Beit Jala parish. "He would either have to be born at a checkpoint or at the separation wall. Mary and Joseph would have needed Israeli permission or to have been tourists.
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Bethlehem is the heart of Christian Palestine and it swells with pride every Christmas. Manger Square is transformed into a grotto of lights and stalls crowned by a towering Christmas tree. Strings of illuminated angels, stars and bells festoon the streets. But just a few minutes' drive to the north, the festive atmosphere stops abruptly.
A strip of Israeli settlements built on 18 sq km of what was once northern Bethlehem threatens to cut the city off from its historic twin, Jerusalem. To the Israeli authorities, these have been neighbourhoods of Jerusalem since 1967. One of the settlements, Har Homa, is built on land where angels are said to have announced the birth of Christ to local shepherds. A narrow corridor of land between Har Homa and another settlement, Gilo, still connects Bethlehem to Jerusalem but the construction of Givat Hamatos, a new settlement announced in October, will fill this in a matter of years.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/22/jesus-the-year-bethlehem-closed?newsfeed=true
Thanks
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)<snuip>
"The head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales offered prayers today for people in Bethlehem at risk of losing their homes.
During his Midnight Mass sermon, Archbishop of Westminster Vincent Nichols spoke of 50 families in the West Bank whom he said could lose their land to Israel.
Addressing the congregation at Westminster Cathedral, Archbishop Nichols urged people to "see more clearly all those things which disfigure our world", adding: "We too live 'in a land of deep shadow'."
He went on: "That shadow falls particularly heavily on the town of Bethlehem tonight.
"At this moment the people of the parish of Beit Jala prepare for their legal battle to protect their land and homes from further expropriation by Israel.
"Over 50 families face losing their land and their homes as action is taken to complete the separation/security wall across the territory of the district of Bethlehem.
"We pray for them tonight."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/12/25/archbishop-of-westminster-bethlehem_n_1169167.html