Huckabee likens Trump’s Muslim ban to Israel’s immigration policies

[Little Tich]

Source: Politico

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee showed support for Donald Trump’s proposed ban on Muslims, comparing it to Israel’s immigration policies.

“Right here in Israel, Muslims don’t just get to come into Israel without some clearance," Huckabee, who endorsed Trump for president, said in an interview with an Israeli radio station that aired Thursday. "In fact, I am not sure that they are allowed to immigrate here at all. So it’s not unusual — when everybody acts like ‘Oh what Trump has said is so amazing,’ it’s not that amazing in Israel. You don’t have open borders to Muslims here. "

Trump reiterated his call to ban Muslims from immigrating to the United States after Omar Mateen, a U.S.-born Muslim whose parents were born in Afghanistan, opened fire at an LGBT night club in Orlando, Florida, killing 49 people.

"When I am elected, I will suspend immigration from areas of the world when there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies, until we understand how to end these threats," Trump said in a speech Monday in Manchester, New Hampshire in which he accused his likely Democratic opponent of wanting to admit thousands of Muslim immigrants to the United States with little to no vetting.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/huckabee-likens-trumps-muslim-ban-to-israels-immigration-policies-224458

[shira]

1. Israel doesn't allow immigration from enemy nations - like Syria, Iran, Lebanon....

That's a far cry from banning all Muslims.

[Israeli]

2. Not just Muslims shira .....

http://immigrationlaw.co.il/Web/?PageType=0&ItemID=43522

[shira]

3. Quietly, East Jerusalem Palestinians Are Acquiring Israeli Citizenship

http://972mag.com/quietly-east-jerusalem-palestinians-are-becoming-israeli-citizens/46298/

There has been a trend in recent years of Palestinian permanent residents of East Jerusalem applying for and getting Israeli citizenship. Will this trend provide freedom, or further fragment Palestinian national identity?

Today marks the 45th anniversary of what Palestinians and the international community refer to as the illegal annexation of East Jerusalem, and what some Israelis refer to as the unification of Jerusalem. It is a good opportunity to examine one recent example of how unification or illegal annexation is changing the identity and political future of the Palestinian residents of the city.

As an East Jerusalem resident, I am struck by a recent trend: many of my friends and acquaintances who hold Jerusalem identification cards and documents of permanent residency rather than Israeli citizenship are quietly applying for and obtaining Israeli passports.

It is not immediately clear why. Current residents of East Jerusalem - numbering over 350,000, or 38% of the city's total population - already go about their daily lives, shop at Israeli malls, use Israeli services, frequent Israeli restaurants and bars, send their children to study at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and receive Israeli social and health benefits. What does upgrading their status from East Jerusalem residents to citizens of Israel add? Why did East Jerusalem residents refuse the Israeli offer of citizenship in 1967, and why are they actively seeking to obtain it now, especially given that citizenship requires them to pledge the controversial oath of allegiance to the Israeli state?

[Little Tich]

4. Sharp drop in granting of citizenship to Jerusalem's Arabs

Source: Jerusalem Post, 06/05/2016

Over the past decade, 2,641 of the 7,168 applications were approved, for an acceptance rate of 36.8 percent. By contrast, in 2015 the acceptance rate was 2.9 percent.

Although the rate of applications by residents of east Jerusalem for Israeli citizenship has remained steady in recent years, the approval rate has plummeted.

Figures obtained by The Jerusalem Post in advance of Jerusalem Day being observed Sunday, provided by the Interior Ministry’s Population and Immigration Authority, reveal the ongoing decrease in the approval rate.

In 2012, 426 of 719 citizenship applications were approved.

In 2013, the number dropped to 262 of 705 applications. In 2014, only 49 of 875 requests were approved. Last year, a mere 24 of 829 citizenship requests were approved. So far this year, four of the 396 applications have been stamped “yes.”

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Sharp-drop-in-granting-of-citizenship-to-Jlem-Arabs-455938

Sharp drop in granting of citizenship to J’lem Arabs (Jun 5, 2016)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134129617

[shira]

5. That seems problematic but it could also be....

https://www.algemeiner.com/2015/09/09/poll-52-of-eastern-jerusalem-arabs-prefer-israeli-citizenship/

But while 40 percent of the Arab residents of eastern Jerusalem “recognize that Jews have some rights” to Israel, Pollock said almost no Arabs residing in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza agreed.

Pollock believes the desire to become Israeli citizens stems from social benefits afforded to eastern Jerusalem Arabs who have an Israeli resident status. Nevertheless, the survey found that the majority of Arabs residing in eastern Jerusalem have radical views: 61 percent support armed conflict with Israel, including vehicular terrorist attacks, and a majority said they are politically affiliated with the Gaza-ruling Hamas terrorist group, not the Palestinian Authority.

In those cases, Israel shouldn't allow them citizenship. Do you disagree?

[Little Tich]

6. I believe in the principle of jus soli - having to apply for citizenship in the country of your

birth is illogical.

[shira]

9. They weren't born in Israel & Israel is only a small fraction...

....of the Palestine Mandate, which is also their homeland.

You didn't answer my question, of course.
You rarely do.
Should Israel accept Palestinians for citizenship - in particular, those whose goal is the destruction of Israel, who support terror...?

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Talk about not answering questions, I asked you some time ago to name 2-3 Palestinians you identify with - who share your liberal values & wouldn't be considered freakishly rightwing in western society. I know I can name quite a few Palestinians I can identify with. How about yourself?

Or can I assume you only support rightwing Palestinians?

[Little Tich]

10. Are you suggesting that East Jerusalemites aren't born in Jerusalem?

Logically, if a person is born in East Jerusalem, he or she should have Israeli citizenship - Jew or not. Your question is moot - these people should have received their Israeli citizenship at birth.

And I think it's most likely that the drop in approvals is because of the Apartheid system becoming stricter, not because of almost all applicants suddenly becoming extremists.

BTW, here's a map of Mandatory Palestine:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

And when it comes to Palestinians, it's not so much about who I support - it's about discrimination and racism. I'm against all forms of racism, which in this case means that I'm against Israel's immigration laws.

[shira]

12. Okay, just E.Jerusalem Palestinians then...

If they support terror and want Israel destroyed, do you think Israel should grant them citizenship?

Funny how such an avid supporter of Palestinians cannot find even one popular Palestinian to identify with. I can name many I'd support. I suspect the reason you won't name any is because you know you support a heinously Rightwing cause & are ashamed to admit such.

Here's the British Mandate for Palestine....

[Little Tich]

13. My wikipedia map beats your conspiracy theory site map.

BTW, the Golan heights were awarded to the French Mandate for Syria, and shouldn't be included in that map of yours under any circumstances.

[shira]

14. My map is 1920, yours is 1922. The 1920 map shows...

Last edited Sun Jun 19, 2016, 05:35 PM - Edit history (1)

....the land promised to Jews (Balfour) as their homeland. In 1922, Palestine was divided into 2 administrative districts in which Trans-Jordan was formed. So the Jewish part of 1920 Palestine is only 22% of the original Palestine.

I assume you favor Israel granting citizenship to folks with hostile, genocidal intent towards Jews and their state. That explains why you won't name even one liberal Palestinian with genuine liberal values. It's because the cause you support is heinously regressive. The Palestinians you support see Israel as their enemy. The ones I support do not.

[Little Tich]

7. Hmm, I thought Israel had been upgraded to a Tier 1 human trafficking rating by the US State

Department...

[Israeli]

8. Obviously I wasnt clear enough with my ...

........" Not just Muslims shira " .

Try here Little Tich :

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.559377

Anyone who falls in love with a foreigner and wants to obtain permanent residency status for him or her, will soon discover that the State of Israel does not welcome non-Jews.

While a French Jew will, upon his arrival here, receive an ID card, full rights and a generous “absorption basket” of assistance, his non-Jewish neighbor, if he falls in love with an Israeli woman and decides to move here, will undergo years of harassment until he receives permanent residency status, not to mention citizenship.

The civil marriage legislation under discussion, if it passes the Knesset, will enable the couple to marry in Israel ? but won’t solve the problem.

Aside from the Law of Return, the entire arena of immigration in this
country is mostly a matter of regulations rather than laws, and the regulations change constantly, and differ from one office to the next. If a foreign-born Jew has immigrated to Israel with his non-Jewish wife and their children,everyone will receive citizenship automatically. But when an Israeli citizen who lives here asks the state to grant a status to a non-Jewish partner, he cannot do so on the basis of the Law of Return and must undergo a procedure known as “family reunification.”

“For years, granting permanent residency to non-Jews was seen as a humanitarian exception, and we had to fight to change the approach,” says attorney Oded Feller of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, whose expertise includes human rights infringements on the part of the Interior Ministry’s Population, Immigration and Border Authority, and cases involving immigration, citizenship and residency status.

At the same time, the lawyer adds, “Clearly the Interior Ministry makes things difficult, it doesn’t want them here. It sees itself as a watchman at the gate that makes sure there will be as few non-Jews here as possible.”

“The very fact that I get this runaround ? not because my partner is not Israeli but because of his religion ? is intolerable,” sums up Ilana. “After all, if he were Jewish he would make aliyah, receive citizenship, money, rights, and that’s the end of the story. Even if the grandmother of his sister’s aunt was Jewish in the distant past ? if you have a paper to prove that, that’s it. Many countries have immigration quotas, but the emphasis on religion here is what makes this process so racist. Racism that is directed at anyone who isn’t Jewish ? and at me, too, because I’m the one who brought a non-Jew to the State of Israel.”

[Little Tich]

11. "It sees itself as a watchman at the gate that makes sure there will be as few non-Jews here as

possible."

Selective immigration based on ethnicity is obviously popular with some...