Palestinian girl, 13, shot dead after trying to stab Israeli guard - police

[bemildred]

A 13-year-old Palestinian girl was shot dead by an Israeli security guard she tried to stab at a settlement in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, Israeli police said on Saturday.

It was the latest fatality in an almost four-month-long surge of violence that has raised concern of wider escalation, a decade after the last Palestinian uprising subsided, and it followed two stabbings this week inside settlements carried out by Palestinian teenagers, according to Israeli authorities.

Police spokeswoman Luba Samri said initial investigations showed the teenager "had fought with her family and left her home with a knife and intending to die".

Holding a knife, she ran toward the security guard at the entrance to Anatot settlement and he opened fire at her, Samri said. Her father arrived at the scene shortly after the incident and was arrested, she added.

http://in.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-idINKCN0V109D

[6chars]

1. What a shame

[azurnoir]

2. so we're being told she committed suicide by cop, have I got that right ?

[bemildred]

3. Yep. nt

[shira]

7. Love how Israelis are blamed for defending themselves from psychopathic Jew haters...

....attempting to murder them.

Reminds me of New Year's assaults and rapes in Cologne when the women there were being blamed, rather than the innocent nice young men who were just trying to be gentlemen around them.

[Little Tich]

4. Looks like an extrajudicial killing to me. n/t

[bemildred]

5. The guard felt threatened. You must never threaten guards. They aren't there to protect you. nt

[shira]

6. How so? Do you just assume the worst? Have you seen video? n/t

[Little Tich]

8. TOI Liveblog:

Latest: Teen would-be stabber’s father says attack ‘helps Palestine’

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Teen would-be stabber’s father says attack ‘helps Palestine’

The father of the 13-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead as she attempted to stab an Israeli guard outside the West Bank settlement of Anatot says her death “helps al-Aqsa, its guardians, and Palestine,” the Walla news website reports.

According to Arabic reports, the father says the knife the girl carried “couldn’t even peel a potato.”

read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/hebron-schools-shuttered-as-snow-blankets-west-bank/

[shira]

9. The guard is seen running away from this "toy" knife...

It really looks bad to defend Jew hating attempted murderers while blaming those defending themselves. It's as ridiculous as blaming women rather than the men assaulting them.

[Little Tich]

11. I think it should be possible for police to disarm a 13-year old girl with a knife without killing

her.

I strongly suspect that there's an Israeli shoot to kill policy when it comes to Palestinian attackers. I think shooting to kill when it's not necessary is tantamount to murder.

[FBaggins]

12. I think it should be IMpossible for a child to make it to 13...

... without learning how stupid it is to attack an armed soldier with a knife.

But in a society that actually plans to benefit from the deaths of their children? It's all too possible.

[Little Tich]

13. Nevertheless, the onus to resolve things without the loss of human life is still on the police or

those the police have delegated powers to.

[FBaggins]

14. Not when a criminal/terrorist is using deadly force.

He apparently tried running away. He certainly doesn't have a duty to risk his own life further if she's attacking him.

It would be interesting to hear what you think her duty was.

[azurnoir]

15. How many more Israeli myths will be peddled to justify the killing of children?

Nothing that Palestinian parents could do or say to their children could possibly “incite” them any more than the Israeli occupation which robs them of their land, steals their dignity, abuses and assaults them and eventually kills them with apparent impunity. It is totally unacceptable for Israel and its supporters to insist that the “security” of nuclear Israel, with its modern, fully-equipped army, navy and air force, must take precedence at all costs over the health, well-being and safety of Palestinian children, to the extent that they can be killed at will by a young conscript acting as judge, jury and executioner.

As was reported by MEMO on Saturday, the latest victim of this brutality is a 13-year old Palestinian girl who was executed by an Israeli security guard in occupied East Jerusalem on Saturday. How many more young people have to have their lives cut short in this way before the international community says enough is enough and does something to rein-in the monster that it has created called the State of Israel?

“The propaganda war is very difficult because it is driven by widespread anti-Semitism and delegitimisation of Israel,” said Ya’alon this week, “and so it is hard to fight it.” Only in the warped mind of a Zionist could criticism of a state - supposedly “the only democracy in the Middle East”; another myth - be brushed aside as racist “anti-Semitism”; or that condemnation of Israel’s “right” to kill Palestinians with impunity in the name of “self-defence” somehow “delegitimises” the state. In the real world, Israel’s own very illegal actions do that; it needs no help from the critics or anyone else. Whatever legitimacy the state may have had has been eroded by its blatant disregard for international laws and conventions ever since it was founded on Palestinian land in 1948. Indeed, as a state built upon the terrorism of the Stern Gang, Irgun and Haganah, it is debateable whether there ever was any legitimacy in the first place.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/23510-how-many-more-israeli-myths-will-be-peddled-to-justify-the-killing-of-children

[shira]

16. Occupation doesn't drive people into becoming psychopathic murderers of innocents.

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Thanks for the article defending terrorist acts though.

Nice gig for Hamas and the PA when they can incite and reward terror against Jews and STILL manage to get Jews blamed for it.

[azurnoir]

17. and you've spent your life living under military occupation , where again?

[King_David]

18. And your involvement in this conflict is what again? nt

[azurnoir]

20. who are you to question my motives or reasons

but then again one in every minyan

[King_David]

26. You keep saying that , don't think you even know what it means , unless you like to keep calling me

a Gay dude , that's important to you huh?

Huh ?

[azurnoir]

27. a minyan has nothing to do with being Gay it's simply 10 or more people required

to form a synagogue

[King_David]

28. So what does "one in every minyan mean"?

Ha ha ha

[azurnoir]

29. another mystery for ya, but when you related what I said to being Gay were you thinking of this?

[King_David]

30. That is quite the obsession there,

2 members of this group.

Not sure what you getting at ...

But WTF is with this continued Gay obsession?

[azurnoir]

31. with what?

[King_David]

32. With me being Gay....

[azurnoir]

34. you tossed it in

Star Member King_David (13,720 posts)
26. You keep saying that , don't think you even know what it means , unless you like to keep calling me

a Gay dude , that's important to you huh?

Huh ?
הַסְבָּרָה? hasbará, "explaining" - it ain't a dirty word. LOL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=123971

[King_David]

33. There is no other meaning to "one in every minyan"

Clueless

[azurnoir]

35. to you but not to me

and clueless no- just not bound by what an open ended phrase means to someone else

[King_David]

36. It means something different to you ?

But not the established meaning ?

You think now it's not offensive?

Just you ?

Well , how convenient is that ?

[azurnoir]

37. so now it's offensive?

I think it means in any group of people there will be differences and they should be accepted- and you? it offends you?

[King_David]

38. No it doesn't mean that at all,

It's talking about the prevalence of LGBTQ among the Jewish people- 10%

That's THE meaning of "one in every minyan "

[shira]

19. You're defending the indefensible, like saying Holocaust survivors....

....had every right to massacre German kids and elderly based on the hell they had just experienced.

The Holocaust didn't just turn ordinary people into child-killing psychotics.

Jew hating murderers don't need any reason to kill Jews & they never have throughout history, including Hamasniks and those they incite against Jews.

[azurnoir]

21. what about Jews living in Palestine or Indians in India living under British occupation

and you're comparing Palestinians to Holocaust survivors and Israelis to Germans-really ?

shira
19. You're defending the indefensible, like saying Holocaust survivors....
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....had every right to massacre German kids and elderly based on the hell they had just experienced.

The Holocaust didn't just turn ordinary people into child-killing psychotics.

Jew hating murderers don't need any reason to kill Jews & they never have throughout history, including Hamasniks and those they incite against Jews.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=123957

[shira]

22. Decent people don't just start murdering random kids & elderly...

Bad people do bad things. Hamas, KKK, neo-Nazis, etc...

Point to another situation in the world where an oppressed person is defended or understood for murdering random kids or elderly people.

I'll wait.

[azurnoir]

23. so the Palestinians are bad people like the KKK - got it

[shira]

24. Hamas & terrorists are bad people, not all the Palestinians. Nice try though.

Good attempt at trying to justify terror attacks on innocent kids and elderly.

Exactly what to expect on a liberal board.

[azurnoir]

25. But we're not talking about Hamas here, it's random people like the 13 yr old girl

[shira]

39. 13 year olds don't do that unless incited to act by elders. Child abuse.

That's not an act of desperation any normal 13 year old would act on.

[azurnoir]

40. you mean an argument with her parents? -that's according to Israeli police BTW

it was suicide by cop

[shira]

41. Her father admits she had a knife. She's on camera too, chasing a guard with that knife....

Do you personally know of any teens who take out their frustration on innocent people, and further, do you defend or justify their acts - placing blame on their victims for defending themselves?

[azurnoir]

42. there was no victim save the child who was killed the father said she had a butter knife

[shira]

43. Palestinians attack Jews w/ knives but it's important to cast Israelis as aggressors, right? n/t

[azurnoir]

44. In this case a child was needlessly killed

[King_David]

45. Needlessly?

Only in a bizzaro upside down universe.

Any other non Jewish country if someone, teen or adult attacks with a knife , and gets killed in the process, it's called self defense.

[shira]

46. Bullshit. It's beyond vile that Palestinians attack Israelis & Israel is cast as the aggressor.

There is just as much or even more sympathy for terrorists & attempted murderers than for the innocents they're attacking.

Reminds me of the attacks on women in Germany for being victims of sexual assaults on New Year's eve.

It's shameful.

[azurnoir]

47. we're talking about a child not a grown man

[shira]

48. It's much more than just this incident, you know it, and it's beyond vile. n/t

[azurnoir]

49. yes but you do not seem to distinguish

[shira]

50. What I see is a disgusting game being played. n/t

[azurnoir]

51. the one where Israeli security says one thing and the political propaganda arm says another?

or are you just feeling frustrated that the Israeli government wound up with a bit of egg on it's face over the arrests of 3 leftists on charges that seem something written by Kafka ?

[shira]

52. The game that allows for Jew hating maniacs to attack and Jews get blamed. Nice game there.

Even better that the Jew hating psychopaths receive more sympathy than their victims.

Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and the PA along with every neo-Nazi on earth must be laughing their asses off.

[azurnoir]

53. so you're accusig me of this because I believe a child was needlessly killed?

[shira]

55. A child wasn't needlessly killed. Why do you think the guard ran away from her? n/t

[azurnoir]

57. IMO the video you posted up thread was questionable and I'm being polite

very polite at that

[shira]

59. Why questionable? n/t

[azurnoir]

61. 52 seconds is posted when Israeli TV only had 8 the 13 year old girl appears physically larger

than the adult male 'she's' allegedly chasing and I say allegedly because the whole thing is so blurry that it's hard to tell all brought to us by an allegedly Palestinian channel that appeared very recently and uses the hallmarks of Israeli propaganda video's

[shira]

63. Sigh. Just more denial. n/t

[King_David]

66. Ha ha ha

That's tinfoil ridiculous... Capital R

[gcomeau]

54. Ahem...

Characterizing attacking a superior armed representative of the authority occupying your home as the "psychopathic murder of innocents" is, at best, deranged.

[shira]

58. It'd be one thing if IDF security forces were the only targets, but they're not....

The knife attacks and car rammings are aimed at little toddlers and elderly people.

Think they deserve that?

[gcomeau]

60. Were you under the impression this article was about any such thing?

Because it is not. It's about this girl, and this armed guard. Try to keep your reactions on topic.

[shira]

62. This article is the same bullshit as other articles reversing cause/effect.

But to keep it on topic, there are no other instances in the world where armed guards are questioned for having shot someone attempting to kill them.

Israelis are always the aggressor, even when under attack.

[gcomeau]

64. Really, no other place in the world...

...where it's considered a problem when "gun armed authority figure shoots and kills disturbed/distraught 13 year old child with knife."

Have you been living under a rock by any chance?

[King_David]

67. Your back again

Welcome back..
Never recognized you ...

[gcomeau]

69. Wasn't aware I left... but ok.

[6chars]

10. Father of the year. What an idiot.

I think many Palestinians have a mistaken idea that if they increase the terrorism against Israel, Israel will go away. The problem with this logic is (1) Israel unlike colonial powers with which some loonies confuse it has nowhere to go, and (2) Israel has a great deal of power. If push really comes to shove in the form of terrorism that makes daily life untenable for Israelis, it will not work out well at all for the Palestinians. They are getting some bad advice from people who just enjoy seeing the conflict.

[Agnosticsherbet]

56. Palestinians running this campaign continue to use Child Soldiers.

Amoral ass wipes.

[jonno99]

65. Yep - this child was a victim - but not of the Israelis...nt

[King_David]

68. Agreed