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Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:36 PM

How media conditions people to be anti-Israel

...To learn something different from the same case, look to the BBC: ‘Deadly bombing targets Jerusalem bus stop.’

This too is a formula, though different from Reuters.’ We are to understand that the bomb was not targeted at people. No – its target was a bus stop, an object fixed on the side of the road. Clearly the BBC has the same object in mind as Reuters: Israelis must on no account usurp the role of victim. Better the victim be a bus stop.

Knife murders family

Another real story now allows one to watch the reporter as he goes through the process of making the news. He starts off blaming a knife for the murder of three siblings and their parents (the Fogel family).

The murder of three siblings and their parents is blamed on a knife. Who blamed the knife? Time magazine’s Karl Vick blamed the knife for slitting throats and almost decapitating a toddler. “The murder by knife of three children,” writes Vick. The knife did it. Palestinians don’t kill children in their beds, knives do that. And the Fogels were not a family, they were ‘settlers.’ By using the impersonal and passive voice, Time Magazine takes Palestinians safely away from the horror.

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http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-media-condition-people-to-be-anti-israel/

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Response to shira (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:09 PM

1. Innocent victims always.

No villages, water supplies, orchards, lives damaged at all.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:04 AM

26. Who? Hamas militants or Israelis? n/t

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Response to shira (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:29 PM

2. Israel is it's own worst enemy

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Response to shira (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:24 AM

3. the article in question

Last edited Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:25 PM - Edit history (1)

The murder by knife of three children, including an infant of 3 months, and both parents in a West Bank settlement late Friday night rocked Israel terribly. The news broke on Saturday morning, and the shock was somehow both muted and amplified by the enforced public silence of the Jewish Sabbath. But Shabbat ended at sundown, and freed from the strictures of enforced rest, events lurched forward with something very like vengeance.

First came the condemnations. "This is a despicable murder of an entire innocent family, parents, children and an infant, while they were sleeping in their home on the Sabbath evening," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement. "We all know," Netanyahu added, "as those who want to strike at us will know, that the future of the settlements will not be decided by terror." (See the West Bank's emerging middle class.)

A few hours later, however, the Prime Minister made certain that the attack would, in fact, have a direct impact on Israel's West Bank settlements. Before Sunday dawned, his government had approved construction of 500 new homes on Palestinian territory. The homes are to be built on settlement blocs close to the 1967 border, densely packed and often suburban, rather than in the remote hilltop settlements like Itamar, where the Fogel family lived and where friction with neighboring Palestinians is far more common. But it was the first new construction Netanyahu's government has approved, and the clearest effort to transmute the deaths of the Fogels into politics. It would not be the only one.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058660,00.html#ixzz1xY7ZupIp

The rest is about the settlements, now I took the knife as meaning as opposed to a gun or bomb, but it did not say Palestinian terrorists so of course.......but the article got one thing right ,the Fogels deaths transmuted into politics and this OP is a very good example of that

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Response to shira (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:15 PM

4. Creating a "cycle of violence" by equating Israeli actions to Palestinian terror...

From the article:

A popular and effective media device is to throw Israeli deeds into the pot with Palestinian deeds. What comes out of the pot is a tasty porridge named “cycle of violence.”

The melting pot offers two benefits. One, acts of Palestinian barbarism can be softened or hidden altogether; and two, Israelis can be paired with this barbarism to impart the idea of both sides in the slime pot together.

There are many cases to draw on for the melting pot trick. I choose three, for their clarity or horrendous details. The first case deals with the execution of an Israeli child in her bed in the settlement of Adora, 2002.

We know the reporter, Phil Reeves, producer of “The Great Hoax Massacre.” The headline (to be fair, we have no way of knowing if it was written by him or an editor, but the point stands) foreshadows what Reeves will do with the story. It refers to aggression by Israel. One has to wade through four columns on Israeli “offensives” before coming, near the end, to a casual reference to the shooting of five-year-old Danielle Shefi in front of her mother. “And so,” Reeves concludes, “the cycle of violence goes around.”

Into the slime pot he throws the Palestinian “militants” killed in armed conflict, and a child executed in bed, in front of the mother.

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Response to shira (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:17 PM

5. One more example from a truly great article...

In January 2002 there were two incidents on the same day:

1. A militant sprayed Jews with machine gun fire while they shopped for the Sabbath in downtown Jerusalem.

2. The IDF found a bomb factory in the West Bank, and in a shoot-out killed the Hamas bomb-makers operating it.

Throwing the two incidents into one pot, AP produced the headline ”Israel kills 4, Palestinian wounds 8.”

Observe: Jews are first to be thrown into the pot, their act being worse – they killed. The Palestinian goes into the pot next – he does no more than wound people. Let’s simulate. had AP reported a WW II story it would headline it “British forces kill 4 SS men, SS men wound 8 camp inmates.” Then the British would weigh in heavier than the SS on the scale of evil. Hail AP and its mess of porridge!

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Response to shira (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:29 PM

6. so I take it we are being instructed that we should ignore all Israeli actions WRT the Palestinians

and view all Palestinian actions as though they happened in a vacuum?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:12 PM

7. You need to read the article again. n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:29 PM

8. I already read it once it was the customary whine

because the article it pointed to did not say Palestinian terrorists but no thinking what believe the twaddle about the knife being blamed either, oh and the usual rant about the BBC, so whats new?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:21 PM

11. Your mind is set. What else is new? n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:43 PM

12. No I am simply pointing out how ridiculous the premise of your OP is n/t

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:04 AM

13. Why is it ridiculous? Support your argument. n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:42 AM

14. do you want to make Wolf Blitzer cry or what?

show me the proof that the public has turned against Israel your OP sites a couple of news stories as though they were representative of all media everywhere

eta IMO the large majority of the American really does not care much one way or the other they're far more concerned with domestic policy

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:19 AM

15. Wait. You're arguing the OP is ridiculous, you can't make an argument as to why it's ridiculous...

...and now you're demanding that I show you more proof?

Seriously?

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Response to shira (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:21 PM

46. You can't seriously argue that Israeli military actions are ALWAYS morally superior

Most of the time, violence is violence.

And by now, even YOU would have to admit there have been as many innocent Palestinians killed as innocent Israelis. Just accept that there's plenty of ugliness in the actions of both sides already. Always saying "Israel's better! Israel's better! Israel's better!" serves no purpose and simply vulgarizes the discussion.

And there's never been a justification for the "ten lives for one" thing. All that does is end up killing people who had nothing to do with the original killing.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:57 PM

49. There is no equivalence b/w killing psycopathic terrorists....

....and the very deliberate murder of a baby in its bed.

When the IDF starts mowing down civilians in cold blood, for absolutely no military purpose whatsoever, THAT would be the equivalent of murdering the Fogels or blowing up people in a pizza place or disco.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:41 PM

9. Photo of IDF Soldier Stepping on Girl Proven False

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Response to King_David (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:35 AM

70. IDF Blog? Really?

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Response to shira (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:41 PM

10. Misleading Photo of IDF Brutality – Staged by Palestinians

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Response to shira (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:28 AM

16. Israeli Arabs attack Sudanese immigrants. International Media is silent...

Following violence, Sudanese leave Arab Israeli town en masse
http://www.timesofisrael.com/sudanese-leave-arab-israeli-village/

Perfect example of what the media is doing.

It's not bad Israelis the media is looking to demonize. It's only Israeli Jews. Israeli Arabs, like Palestinians, are virtuous. To report this story worldwide - just as they are doing WRT Israeli Jews and the Sudanese - would be against the narrative b/c only the Israeli Jews are racist, not Israeli Arabs, and certainly not Palestinians. Israeli Arabs and Palestinians are virtuous victims. Israeli Jews are racist oppressors. To report otherwise would be politically incorrect.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:04 PM

17. What should really bother everyone is this.

If the article is telling the truth about the media and Israel (and I believe that it is), then isn't it likely that the media is using the same tactics on every other major story or issue?

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Response to aranthus (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:38 PM

18. Scary, isn't it? n/t

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Response to shira (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:45 PM

19. What the International media won't report: 'Turkey investigating IHH head for funding al-Qaida'

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=273979

Narrative buster WRT the so-called peaceful humanitarian Mavi Marmara / Flotilla.

It's all about demonization/delegitimization and cover for extreme rightwing Islamist organizations and leadership. I swear I can't distinguish b/w the hard Left and hard Right these days. I wish someone would explain the difference to me.

The hard Left and hard Right. BFF. And the International media is silent...



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Response to shira (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:38 PM

20. Reuters says Israel breaks truce - after Hamas rockets

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/06/reuters-says-israel-breaks-truce-after.html#disqus_thread

1. Hamas shoots 2 rockets. That does not break the truce.

2. Israel retaliates, but THAT breaks the truce.



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Response to shira (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:11 AM

29. I am sincerely

trying to figure out just what it is you want. Are you Israeli?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #29)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 07:31 AM

31. Did you read the entire OP?

What did you think about the parts in the OP titled "The Great Hoax Massacre" and "The Melting Pot"?

You don't see anything worthy of mention there?

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Response to shira (Reply #31)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:46 PM

35. You object

when others answer your questions with a question of their own. Why not answer my questions before asking any of your own?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:19 PM

43. I think the article speaks for itself...

That's why I asked whether you read it or not.

You asked what I want.

I think it's important for anyone keeping up with I/P in the news to consider their sources before casting judgment.

And no, I'm not Israeli.

Your turn.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:40 PM

21. Palestinian woman on hunger strike for 3 weeks. She’s not in Israel, so the Guardian yawns

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Response to shira (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:44 PM

22. Alice Walker rejects Israeli translation of "The Color Purple"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57457175/alice-walker-rejects-israeli-translation-of-the-color-purple/

I didn't know Israeli was a language.

Way to cover her bigotry, CBS!

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Response to shira (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 05:59 PM

47. what is CBS covering?

here is the statement-

American writer Alice Walker won't let an Israeli publisher release a new Hebrew edition of her Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, "The Color Purple," saying she objects to Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people.

Walker, an ardent pro-Palestinian activist, said in a letter to Yediot Books that Israel practices "apartheid" and must change its policies before her works can be published there.

"I would so like knowing my books are read by the people of your country, especially by the young and by the brave Israeli activists (Jewish and Palestinian) for justice and peace I have had the joy of working beside," she wrote in the letter, obtained by The Associated Press. "I am hopeful that one day, maybe soon, this may happen. But now is not the time."


now are you accusing CBS of covering her 'bigotry against Israel? or is there something more that you are implying?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:09 PM

50. Hebrew is the Jewish language, not Israeli. Alice boycotted....

...all Jews who speak hebrew.

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Response to shira (Reply #50)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:51 PM

52. so Jews everywhere speak Hebrew as a daily conversational language?

or do Jews everywhere except Israel speak Hebrew for religious services and prayer? Hebrew is the language of Israel and Jews anywhere can read the Color Purple in any just about language except Hebrew, but your reply was indeed a 'nice' foxtrot around Jews=Israel and Israel=Jews

Ms Walkers move had to do with Israel which of course you imply in comments here is antisemitic

eta Hebrew is the Jewish language so only Jews in Israel speak Hebrew or do all Israelis regardless of whether or not they're Jewish?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #52)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:15 PM

54. She could've boycotted an Arabic translation.

You wouldn't have a problem with that, right?

After all, real, genuine apartheid is practiced in all Arab nations bordering Israel.

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Response to shira (Reply #54)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:20 PM

57. rolls eyes only Arabs practice apartheid ya we've heard it all before..........

of course Israel doesn't practice apartheid in the West Bank there;s just a set of laws for Israeli's living there and another one for the natives, but that's not apartheid right?

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #57)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:47 AM

58. You wouldn't have a problem boycotting Arabic....

....for any perceived wrongdoing, correct?

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Response to shira (Reply #58)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:54 PM

59. "perceived wrongdoing" so the occupation of the West Bank is only a perceived wrongdoing?

and whether or not I approved would depend entirely on the reason(s)

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #59)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:18 PM

60. Walker is boycotting hebrew...

...due to her belief Israel practices apartheid, both within Israel and outside of Israel.

So presumably, since there's even worse apartheid in Israel's neighboring states, I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with someone (right or leftwing) boycotting Arabic.

Correct?

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Response to shira (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:00 AM

23. BBC official admits the network ‘got it wrong’ on Fogel murders

In complaining about the light coverage of the event on BBC radio and television programs, the newspaper reported that Mensch said, “I only found out, after the event, from an American blog, called ‘Dead Jews is no news,’ and the more I went into it, the more shocked I was. There was a feeling that the BBC just didn’t care and that if a settler had opened the home of a Palestinian family, slit the throat of their children, that the BBC would have covered that.”

Thompson, according to the Jewish Chronicle, responded that the story occurred during a “very busy news period,” including the fighting in Libya and the tsunami in Japan and that “news editors were under a lot of pressure.”

He reportedly added, “Having said that, it was certainly an atrocity which should have been covered across our news bulletins that day… But I do want to say, to all our audience, including our Jewish and Israeli audiences here and around the world, we do want to make sure we are fair and impartial. We made a mistake in this instance.”

http://www.jewishjournal.com/world/article/bbc_official_admits_the_network_got_it_wrong_on_fogel_murders_20120622/

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Response to shira (Original post)

Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:46 AM

24. EXCLUSIVE: BBC spends a third of £1 million concealing Middle East 'Balen Report'

Today, The Commentator reveals a Freedom of Information request showing that the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has so far spent almost a third of a million pounds (more than half a million dollars) in order to conceal the infamous 'Balen Report', into the corporation's coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, from the British public.

Britons are required by law to own licences in order to use televisions. This raises £3.6billion in funding for the state broadcaster. Despite this public funding, the BBC does not have to comply with the Freedom of Information Act 2000 with regard to actual information held for the purposes of journalism, art or literature.

The Balen Report was written in 2004 and campaigners say the BBC does not wish to release the document over fears that it will substantiate claims of BBC bias against Israel. Ironically, it is understood that former Director of News for the BBC, Richard Sambrook, commissioned the report in order to allay public fears. The report, however, was never released.

more...
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1565/exclusive_bbc_spends_a_third_of_1_million_concealing_middle_east_balen_report_

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Response to shira (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:38 AM

25. Intifada 2: Reuters reports Palestinians killed while Israelis just died....

Few Israelis showed much sympathy for Corrie’s death, which took place during the second Palestinian Intifada (uprising) in which thousands of Palestinians were killed and hundreds of Israelis died in suicide bombings.

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-court-says-u-activist-not-unlawfully-killed-065132808.html

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Response to shira (Original post)

Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:07 AM

27. Sam Bacile and the One Hundred Jewish Donors

As Muslim mobs, allegedly outraged over the YouTube video, "Innocence of Muslims," assaulted American embassies and murdered American diplomatic personnel, the Associated Press (AP) and the Wall Street Journal published portions of telephone interviews with a man claiming to be the film's director who identified himself as an Israeli-American named Sam Bacile. (Shown at left being taken for interrogation.) News outlets, especially those known for favoring stories with an anti-Israel angle, like the Guardian, NPR, BBC and the Huffington Post, ran with the story. Some television networks, like ABC, followed suit as well.

It was not long before the Sam Bacile story unraveled. But, the damage had been done, with little evidence of contrition in the media.

According to the AP and the Wall Street Journal, Bacile made a series of inflammatory statements, calling Islam a "cancer," insulting Islam's prophet and bizarrely asserting that the film was backed by "100 Jewish donors."

The incendiary content of Bacile's statements, especially the "100 Jewish donors" claim, should have immediately raised suspicion and prompted news outlets to use caution and skepticism in conveying his statements. If Bacile really had been an Israeli Jew who made the film to benefit his "native land," as he claimed, why would he brag to the media about Jewish and Israeli complicity? It is telling of the state of mind that exists among the media that this contradiction did not prompt these news outlets to reconsider running with the story. Unfortunately, much of the media's initial coverage of the YouTube film trailer associated with attacks on the American embassies in Egypt and Libya on Sept. 11, 2012 fell into a familiar pattern of running with a dubious story containing obvious anti-Jewish innuendo.

more...
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=2294

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Response to shira (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:00 AM

28. Now that's just silly

I don't know where you live, but here in the US bus stops usually have people standing there waiting for a bus...the assumption is that the target was people waiting for a bus. Likewise, the murder by knife of 3 children simply identified the weapon used...one assumes it was wielded by a human as no one, at least no sane person, believes knives just up and murder people.

So the Fogels were a family who lived where? Tel Aviv?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #28)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:43 AM

30. Slaughter of the Fogels: After the West Bank Killings

Article in Time magazine about the Fogels:

The murder by knife of three children, including an infant of 3 months, and both parents in a West Bank settlement late Friday night rocked Israel terribly. The news broke on Saturday morning, and the shock was somehow both muted and amplified by the enforced public silence of the Jewish Sabbath. But Shabbat ended at sundown, and freed from the strictures of enforced rest, events lurched forward with something very like vengeance.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058660,00.html

Surprised you haven't heard of them.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #28)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:08 PM

33. 'So the Fogels were a family who lived where? Tel Aviv? '

Seriously,no offence but you need do some serious research before contributing to this debate in any kind of meaninful way.

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Response to King_David (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:40 PM

34. Flew over your head did it?

I know where the Fogel family lived....Shira objects to them being called "settlers"

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #34)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:49 PM

37. Aah that's why the sarcasm thingy is helpful

in text ...

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Response to King_David (Reply #37)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 03:36 PM

38. I would be happy to use it,

if you would tell me just what is the sarcasm thingy.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #38)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 03:39 PM

39. Sarcasm thingy is done so: ":sarcasm:" nt

e.g:

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Response to bemildred (Reply #39)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 03:48 PM

40. Thank you so much

As you can see I'm fairly new to DU and I have asked several times what that n/t means

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 03:52 PM

41. "no text", as in the subject line is the entire post.

I use it so much I have to remember to erase it sometimes, because it just comes out automatically.

A number of different forms are in use, and it actually goes back to usenet, where it was more of an issue pulling up a post for nothing.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 05:07 PM

42. no text

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:24 PM

44. I don't object to the Fogels being called settlers....

I do object to the article dehumanizing the family, as well as implying that since they were settlers, the murderers had good reason to kill them.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:03 PM

48. well if you read Israeli media you'll find that Israeli Jews living in the West Bank

are usually referred to as "settlers" not Israelis unless they are killed by Palestinians then when they are killed in a manner that can be politically useful they become Israelis, one would think that in itself is offensive

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Response to shira (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 07:39 AM

32. Some of his examples are questionable, but generally I agree.

It's quite an old complaint, the depersonalization of everything in the news, the replacement of dead people with absract strategic or tactical justifications for their deadness, the speaking of objects as though they had volition, etc.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:46 PM

36. There is no end

To the sh*t deemed fit to print and the zealot's desire to post the fool's riposte.

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Response to TomClash (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:35 PM

45. Great, substantive refutation. Bravo! n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:03 PM

53. When you post substance

You will get a substantive refutation.

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Response to TomClash (Reply #53)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:16 PM

55. The substance is there. You've got nothing. n/t

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Response to shira (Reply #55)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:00 PM

56. The Israeli answer to everything

We have more than you and you've got nothing.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 07:41 PM

51. Objectively speaking I have seen the media play it both ways

It depends on the media source and time frame

There was a period when the us media was very to Israel, up until the mid 80s

It was at that time when things started to change

The press started turning negative toward Israel probably around the time Israel went into Lebanon

A book called double vision by Zev Chafetz's documents this.

Today I think you will not find too much objective analysis of the situation on both sides

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Response to still_one (Reply #51)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:25 AM

65. Agreed. I've certainly seen bias in both directions in the media.

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Response to still_one (Reply #51)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:30 AM

66. That's not what that book says it all

I think you've mischaracterized it.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #66)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:56 AM

67. I suspect you are referring to my reference of Double Vision. That book documents when the

the media was pushing its anti-Israeli bias. It was the republican party, with such people as percy and mcclosky(sic), who were very anti-Israeli back then. Much of the U.S. press also took an anti-Isreali trend also.

It changed when bush become president from what I observed. The U.S. press started to walk in lock step with a positive bias toward Israel at that time.

I was just giving my impressions. I have seen coverage of Israel shift both ways at different periods. It was either mostly positive or mostly negative during a particular decade, but not so balanced.

In addition, my reference is mostly regarding the U.S. media. In my view the European media has always had a mostly an anti-Israeli slant. However, they also seem to have a pretty strong anti-Arab slant also.

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Response to still_one (Reply #67)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:56 PM

68. That's right

The book gives a very different time frame and doesn't suggest that the media was previously unfairly biased in favor of Israel.

In any case, I do agree with the general thrust of your argument, regardless of my opinion about the way you characterized the book.

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Response to shira (Original post)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 05:33 AM

61. BBC World Service hosts antisemite Gilad Atzmon

The BBC World Service would not dream of promoting David Duke or a member of Combat 18, even if they also happened to be rather good at tap dancing. So the question is; why can the BBC either not identify Gilad Atzmon for what he really is or justify giving him air-time if it does?

http://bbcwatch.org/2012/10/14/bbc-world-service-hosts-antisemite-gilad-atzmon/

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Response to shira (Reply #61)

Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:04 AM

62. Wow

It's a good thing there is no widespread antisemitism problem in the world. Sarcasm.

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Response to shira (Reply #61)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:23 AM

64. I don't know about David Duke or Combat 18...

though I know that David Duke was interviewed on America's NPR after the election of Obama. BUT as regards the British media, Nick Griffin the BNP leader was on Question Time in 2009, and in 2002, the Today programme broadcast a debate which included both Nick Griffin and Abu Hamza (how much evil can you get into one room?!)

Stephen Lennon aka Tommy Robinson, the leader of the English Defence League, was interviewed by Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight not long ago.

Unfortunately, controversy - which often means plain viciousness- attracts audiences. It is not restricted to anti-Israel views - though I daresay that most of the people I've mentioned here are antisemites among other things..

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Response to shira (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:09 AM

63. John Donnison of BBC mourns for Gaza rocketeer terrorists

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Response to shira (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:08 AM

69. Guardian publishes another cartoon of Jews controlling world....

Proving once again there isn't much difference between the Guardian and Hamas' official website...

http://networkedblogs.com/EOgvs

Walter Russell Mead says it best:

“…weak minds…are easily seduced by attractive but empty generalizations. The comment attributed to August Bebel that anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools can be extended to many other kinds of cheap and superficial errors that people make. The baffled, frustrated and the bewildered seek a grand, simplifying hypothesis that can bring some kind of ordered explanation to a confusing world; anti-Semitism is one of the glittering frauds that attract the overwhelmed and the uncomprehending.”

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Response to shira (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:39 PM

71. Is the Guardian unmoved by the recent terror attack on a 9-year-old Israeli girl?

Thus far, the Guardian has not devoted any coverage to the attack on Noam.

Their dearth of coverage regarding the attempted murder of a little Israeli girl stands in contrast to their coverage, in July, of a 5-year-old Palestinian boy who was briefly detained by Israeli troops after throwing rocks at cars near Hebron. Here’s a snapshot of the Guardian video report on the incident:

http://cifwatch.com/2013/10/07/is-the-guardian-unmoved-by-the-recent-terror-attack-on-a-9-year-old-israeli-girl/

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Nine year-old wounded in attack in Psagot: BBC silent
http://bbcwatch.org/2013/10/06/nine-year-old-wounded-in-attack-in-psagot-bbc-silent/

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