The old man and the 'strip and swim' procedure

Would Israel tolerate the Syrian navy stopping Israeli fisherman and subjecting them to such harassment?

' Israelis wonder why so many Arabs hate them'

Thanks in advance.

I think the article that was posted here was the DUer your questionings example

I think that Israel as a country has some very poor policies relating to their neighbors, but I don't think that those policies reflect on the jewish people as a whole.

...but what do you make of a statement like this:

"And Jews wonder why people hate them so much".

because your statement is quite different from the one in comment #1

...or just the Jews? Or are you suggesting Arab Israelis might wonder why they're hated so much by Arabs?

all Jews apparently but Israeli Arabs might be hated by Arabs outside of Israel, do you think that in a battle Hamas or IJ would say "wait don't shoot him , he looks like an Arab"?

...by their fellow Arabs outside of Israel.

That's fascinating.

As to your question, the target of terror attacks are Jews. In the PMW videos, you'll notice the intended targets of terror and incitement are Jews, not Arabs. Not Israelis either, but Jews.

of course a biased right wing antiPalestinian organization dedicated todemonizing Palestinians and at the very least keeping status quo intact such as PMW will play that line no surprises there, its what they exist to do and they seem to be one of your absolute favorites too, why is that?

I'll wait for that one.

As to PMW, they simply report what the PA/Hamas are doing against the interests of peace. It's legitimate criticism, not demonization. I think it's fascinating you believe the videos @ PMW should be censored and ignored. As if by doing so, peace would happen sooner. Again, I must ask you what kind of peace do you envision in the mideast since you believe videos like that should be ignored and censored?

BTW, do you think anyone on this forum would have a problem with an organization dedicated to publicizing Kahanist incitement and hatred? Can you imagine anyone here criticizing such an organization for demonizing Kahanists?

however I think their purpose should be kept in mind and that as you have confirmed is to demonize Palestinians for 'hating' their military rulers heavens fore fend such a thing, good thing video wasn't around during the British rule of Palestine, huh? but it must burn so that despite the efforts of such organizations the US government will still fund the very Palestinians that you claim wish to kill every Jew on Earth. Oh BTW hasn't MEMRI who does most the PMW translations been caught translating Israel as Jews and statements such as "I will be killed" as "I will kill"?

Now the other thing as to your claim that Palestinian terrorists target only Jews in Israel if Israeli society is as open as claimed here how is that possible? How does a terrorist get on a bus or go to let's see a pizza parlor open to the Israeli public and be assured of killing only Jews? Either Israel has a quiet type segregation going where only Jews are allowed certain places or terrorists are willing to kill Israeli Arabs too, so which is it?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

That one translation discredits everything they report. Is that correct? Thousands of articles and hundreds of videos later, and that's the worst PMW has done?

Which means we can safely ignore all the content at PMW and pretend none of it is true?

Now the other thing as to your claim that Palestinian terrorists target only Jews in Israel if Israeli society is as open as claimed here how is that possible? How does a terrorist get on a bus or go to let's see a pizza parlor open to the Israeli public and be assured of killing only Jews?

It seems quite easy to me. Now, no one said that terrorists make absolutely sure that no non-Jews are ever injured in their attacks. They said that only Jews are targeted, which seems to be obvious. How does one target Jews and not Arabs? Well, past terrorist attacks have targeted events like Passover Seders, or nightclubs and pizza parlors known to be local meeting spots for young Israeli Jews.

Either Israel has a quiet type segregation going where only Jews are allowed certain places or terrorists are willing to kill Israeli Arabs too, so which is it?

Terrorists are willing to accept Arab collateral damage obviously. Their rockets often fall within Gaza for example. If they cared about ensuring that no Arabs got hurt then pretty much all of their tactics would be rendered unavailable. That said, there is a tremendous amount of de facto segregation within Israel, and targeting only Jews while avoiding Arabs is not tremendously difficult to do.

And it is quite obvious from both their words and deeds that they are targeting Jewish Israelis... not all Israelis.

Did you read my post? It was extremely clear.
They DO target only Jews. They occasionally hit non-Jews.

Do you have any examples of Palestinian terrorist groups targeting Israeli Arabs? Any evidence that supports the notion whatsoever?

And saying that criticism of Israel is antisemitic is like saying that criticizing the Bush administration was unamerican. Its pretty much the same thing if you think about it that way.

As for Israel's "bad behavior", I'll believe it when there's more credible evidence than Amira Hass' reporting. Her reporting is extremely political and no more credible than the looniest "news" reported by extreme rightwing hacks.

"looks like justification for antisemitic acts of hatred to me"

I agree with you Shira....Harassment of innocents is very likely to lead to hatred, desperation, antisemitic acts and even terrorism.


Since any half-capable terrorist can bring in all the weapons he wants via Egypt, why do you think the IDF are harrassing poor fishermen?.

...claims seriously either. But I suppose the IDF should investigate claims from both extremes to be fair, right?

' Israelis wonder why so many Arabs hate them'


Persecuting impoverished fishermen is disgusting, racist and encouragement of terrorism.


I would hate anyone that harassed me like this, wouldn't you?...........or perhaps you think such harassment is justified?

Why would Arabs care so much more about what happens to Arabs with respect to Israel as opposed to what happens to Arabs in other countries?

Even using the term Arabs and making such a broad statement seems pretty ridiculous.

Why would Arabs care so much more about what happens to Arabs with respect to Israel as opposed to what happens to Arabs in other countries?

That's a rather naive question, isn't it?

Most people are nationalist some some extent and care more when they are victims of foreigners, especially those of a different race, religion or language, than they do when they are victims of their own nationals.


Anyway with an Arab-Israeli history covering 1917 Balfour, 1929 Revisionist anti-Arab demonstration, 1936 Arab revolt, 1937 Peel Partition plan, 1948 Arab-Israeli war, 1948 Nakba, 1967 occupation, 1987 1st Intifada, 2000 2nd Intifada, 2006 Cast lead etc, don't you think the IDF should be bending over back wards to avoid anything that might provoke more Arab violence?

Your comments about nationalism make no sense, unless you believe there is one single Arab nation, a la what Nasser was going on about back in the day. In which case, there is no distinction between Palestinians, Jordanians, Egyptians, etc. Is this something you believe?

Your comments about nationalism make no sense, unless you believe there is one single Arab nation, a la what Nasser was going on about back in the day

I was using the word 'nationalism' in the sense of 'the Arab Middle East community'

The vast majority of Arabs in the Middle East consider themselves part of the Ummah...You will remember when Israel invaded the West Bank in the spring of 2002 ordinary people in the Arab world collectively exploded with outrage....Surely that was a clear indication that Arabs do care how Israel treats Palestinians?


You say that ..."using the term Arabs and making such a broad statement seems pretty ridiculous".... So far you have failed to explain why you think it ridiculous.
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Thanks for the clarification.