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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:14 PM

Why Diplomats Who Make Threats Should Rarely Be Trusted & Are Rarely Effective

According to theories of threat making, the way most leaders & politicians threaten other countries has nothing to do with changing the behavior of what your threatening. More often than not, it's a political ploy to make yourself appear to be a strong leader.

The problem with the strategy is that its destructive and I believe it keeps the war as opposed to promoting peace. It angers those who are threatened and it seldom gives reasonable ways for those threatened to extricate themselves from the situation which is a tell that the threat-maker is just chest thumping and really can't way what his countries true intentions are.

I think this sort of behavior perpetuates needless defense build ups and wars that are prepetuated by hatred. Yet, I also see that politically it works. People seem to like chest-thumping candidates so my question is what can be done to break this cycle?

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bemildred Dec 2012 #1
toddmiller Dec 2012 #2
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toddmiller Jan 2013 #4
bemildred Jan 2013 #5
toddmiller Jan 2013 #6

Response to toddmiller (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:06 AM

1. You need better people, as long as belligerence "works", politicians will keep doing it. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:30 AM

2. We need more informed voters who are aware of these tricks as well.

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Response to toddmiller (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:41 AM

3. That would be one part of having better people.

They would know when they are being bullshitted or some clown is trying to manipulate them.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:39 AM

4. can't understand why they don't teach informal logic,

propaganda and advertising tricks in school. It's not that complicated but so many are fooled by this stuff.

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Response to toddmiller (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:51 PM

5. I am cynical, I understand it perfectly. But I don't approve.

If you have an authoritarian bent, the last thing you want is a bunch of people asking questions. You want obedience. And the world is full of people that want to be told what to do, to belong to a tribe or a club or a gang or a clan. That plays out everyday in our politics.

There is sort of a bootstrap problem, if you get enough people well enough educated and empowered, it becomes harder to reverse. Before then, it is relatively easy to drag us back into the Hobbesian mud with a bit of violence, xenophobia, and misdirection.

When I was a kid they still had civics classes and they were still trying to really educate us to compete with the commies. I have hidden under my school desk and kissed my ass goodbye. But they started vigorously dumbing it all back down after the Vietnam debacle. It was like we failed because they lost that stupid war. Correcting an "excess of democracy".

I think there is a large element of not wanting to pay for it too.

We are long past the point where we can afford to be dumb, or cheap.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 04:54 AM

6. well said

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