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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 12:12 PM Sep 2015

EPA Raises Alarm Over GMO Crops that Are Breeding Swarms of These Mutant Bugs

EPA Raises Alarm Over GMO Crops that Are Breeding Swarms of These Mutant Bugs
NationOfChange
9/2/15

One of the promises of GMO crops was that they would be more resistant to bugs and pests, however, it seems that the chemicals used on these crops, and the modifications that have been made to their basic structure, have actually created an explosion in pesticide resistant bugs.

It was reported this week that genetically modified crops, corn specifically, has created a pesticide resistant rootworm, that is now stronger and more numerous than ever before. To make matters even worse, due to the growing over-infestation, farmers have been forced to use even more of the harmful pesticides that have been known to contribute to cancer, and are suspected of devastating the global honeybee population.

According to The Wall Street Journal, the United States Environmental Protection Agency has taken a recent interest in the rootworm problem, and they are expected to set limits on the amount of genetically modified corn that can be grown in the US.

Bill Jordan, the EPA’s deputy head of pesticide programs said that the problem is getting worse, and suggested that limits are needed to keep the rootworm in check.

...However, the fact that the EPA wants to implement restrictions presents a very interesting problem because it is actually the US government that is responsible for the overproduction of corn in the first place, thanks to massive farm subsidies.

According to EWG farm subsidies, the United States government has put forward over $84 billion between the years of 1995 and 2012, encouraging farmers to plant corn, most of which is used for animal feed and junk food.
...

Read full article~
http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/09/02/epa-raises-alarm-over-gmo-crops-that-are-breeding-swarms-of-these-mutant-bugs/


WE are subsidizing this...a BigAg program that results in the death of pollinators & the addition of cancer-causing chemicals in our food supply.

I wonder if the execs at Monsanto & Bayer eat only non-GMO food. They know what they're fighting so hard to hide from the public after all.
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EPA Raises Alarm Over GMO Crops that Are Breeding Swarms of These Mutant Bugs (Original Post) RiverLover Sep 2015 OP
We are close to FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #1
It's time to end the war on nature. zeemike Sep 2015 #2
there's enough interest and ideology to keep people thinking that we'll get it right someday soon MisterP Sep 2015 #4
This story won't make the Nightly News. SoapBox Sep 2015 #3
That was predictable enough. Maybe the plan all along? hunter Sep 2015 #5
But some died PatSeg Sep 2015 #9
Stop the GMOs and stop growing so much corn.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #6
Who knows what they've done nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #17
Think that's scary? Look at the treasury. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #19
Christ!! Bill USA Sep 2015 #36
To me, it's never been about the safety of the food (read on...) NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #7
I entered this thread PatSeg Sep 2015 #10
there are three distinctive sets of footprints (one bootprint of course). NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #11
They all seem to work off PatSeg Sep 2015 #12
the issue is that their approach is totally black white - the opposite of good science. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #13
And instead of providing PatSeg Sep 2015 #15
glad I am not the only one noticing. Nice to "chat" with you! NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #18
Same here PatSeg Sep 2015 #21
Love this exhange. Duppers Sep 2015 #31
I guess there were a lot of us PatSeg Sep 2015 #34
Another one is when they claim GMOs are solving world hunger.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #20
Yes, that's a good one! PatSeg Sep 2015 #22
IOW: It becomes political instead of scientific..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #23
Exactly PatSeg Sep 2015 #25
Great post. RiverLover Sep 2015 #28
surprised we don't have "boot on the ground" yet in this thread NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #29
....shhhh...hush hush. RiverLover Sep 2015 #30
Well spoke. "Can you eat a GMO without dying?" Isn't the only question. immoderate Sep 2015 #33
84 billion for junk food and animal feed... d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #8
Where they've ALWAYS ranked. Organ donors. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #24
Where are the defenders of GMOs Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #14
Actually Binkie PatSeg Sep 2015 #16
Bill Nye is going to need another paycheck ;-) CentralMass Sep 2015 #26
Ha! RiverLover Sep 2015 #27
There is a better way SoLeftIAmRight Sep 2015 #32
Jesus! Sounds like a "B" sci-fi movie! Bill USA Sep 2015 #35
Have you read about "Enlist Duo"? RiverLover Sep 2015 #37

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
2. It's time to end the war on nature.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:02 PM
Sep 2015

It has been going on for a long time and it is a war we cannot win.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
4. there's enough interest and ideology to keep people thinking that we'll get it right someday soon
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:18 PM
Sep 2015

and then we'll be as gods, or something

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
3. This story won't make the Nightly News.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:17 PM
Sep 2015

Poor Mother Earth is being flushed down the toilet, all in the name of corporate profit.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
5. That was predictable enough. Maybe the plan all along?
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:31 PM
Sep 2015

Sell GMO... profit!

Sell more pesticides... profit!

Sell new GMO... profit!

Sell more pesticides... profit!

An endless cycle of... profit!

Until everyone is dead.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
6. Stop the GMOs and stop growing so much corn....
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 02:56 PM
Sep 2015

It was for an ethanol program that went crazy.

BTW: Did Monsanto manage to get a bill passed that made it so ONLY their own patented seeds were eligible for the corn subsidy?

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
17. Who knows what they've done
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:46 PM
Sep 2015

with their revolving door between MonSatan and Washington DC



The revolving door is a massive problem in American politics, where individuals cycle between public and private sector positions in a way that produces massive conflicts of interest. An individual can start their career working for a for-profit corporation, then migrate into a regulatory post or elected office, then into trade association positions, and finally go back to the private sector and make a huge profit off of decisions that they made during their previous public positions.

The multi-billion dollar agribusiness giant Monsanto has a long and extremely widespread history of participation in this revolving door, at every level of American government. Ex-Monsanto employees, particularly from their lobbying and legal infrastructures, fill numerous judicial, regulatory and advisory positions in the US government...
http://theprogressivecynic.com/2014/06/10/monsantos-revolving-door/


NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
7. To me, it's never been about the safety of the food (read on...)
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:08 PM
Sep 2015

It is beyond that - it is sufficient, independent, objective testing.
It is the butterfly effect - impact on pollen, meaning impact on pollinators
It is impact on keeping our genetic heritage - not only the ability to be seed savers, but the confidence that our genetic heritage will not be polluted/changed by GMO pollen.

As to the food we eat, there not been nearly enough testing, but that horse seems to be out of the barn.

And it's not about genetic modification. It is about genetic engineering - genes from species X into species Y (that is not natural).

But if we wait, we will hear the footsteps and the usual suspects will show.

Just wait. Can you hear them!?

PatSeg

(47,413 posts)
10. I entered this thread
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:16 PM
Sep 2015

looking both ways and behind me. Its still early though. They could be on a coffee break.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
11. there are three distinctive sets of footprints (one bootprint of course).
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:20 PM
Sep 2015

...at least the threesome seems to be the quickest on the draw. I guess they are busy getting their directives

PatSeg

(47,413 posts)
12. They all seem to work off
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:27 PM
Sep 2015

the same script. They are relatively skillful, but pathetically predictable. When they can't get a sympathetic response, they carry on discussions with one another or pick fights to shut a thread down. I fell for the bait a few times until I saw the trend.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
13. the issue is that their approach is totally black white - the opposite of good science.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:31 PM
Sep 2015

They argue, they ridicule - but in no way can that approach persuade or enlighten.

The basic premise of science is continual learning. Which needs a continual open mind to change.

Unless it is profitable to think otherwise, of course!

PatSeg

(47,413 posts)
15. And instead of providing
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:41 PM
Sep 2015

actual information, they respond by asking questions, often in a patronizing, belligerent manner. Then they accuse people who oppose GMOs of being "anti-science" - they think that makes them sound like liberals you know.

Most of the ones I've encountered are well trained, articulate, and very professional. They often have been members for years and have a high post count. It is a pretty sophisticated operation (best money can buy I suppose) - they don't come across as reactionary, right-wing trolls. They are careful not to get banned.

PatSeg

(47,413 posts)
21. Same here
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 06:18 PM
Sep 2015

It took me a bit to catch on, but I won't let them shut down a thread I'm interested in anymore.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
31. Love this exhange.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 12:33 AM
Sep 2015

Especially since it confirms my experience of being called anti-science (2 scientists in immediate family).

30 replies to this thread so far and I can see only 17.

PatSeg

(47,413 posts)
34. I guess there were a lot of us
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 04:01 PM
Sep 2015

who were affected. On a positive note though, it caused me to do a lot of research on GMOs in a quest for solid scientific data. If nothing else, I am far more informed because of the unpleasant exchanges. And I don't avoid these threads anymore!!!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
20. Another one is when they claim GMOs are solving world hunger....
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 06:14 PM
Sep 2015

Then they accuse you of wanting poor children to starve.

(They never mention GMOs don't actually increase crop yields.)

PatSeg

(47,413 posts)
22. Yes, that's a good one!
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 06:23 PM
Sep 2015

And they rattle off statistics about scientists who support GMOs. If you respond with contradictory data, they start blasting you with questions in an intimidating, mocking manner. It quickly devolves into a playground confrontation, "I'm rubber, you're glue....."

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
28. Great post.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 08:26 PM
Sep 2015

I agree. The main problem with GMOs for me as well is their horribly destructive environmental impact on bees, butterflies, then up the chain to bats & other birds. And run-off getting into waterways, creating dead zones, suffocating & poisoning our aquatic animals....

And for what? Killer deals for high rollers in commodities? Cheap food sold at high volume to line stockholders pockets?

Its just not worth it.

http://www.agweb.com/markets/futures/

^^^^ This makes me want to puke.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
30. ....shhhh...hush hush.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 08:50 PM
Sep 2015

I still have nightmares from when I first started posting here & on a thread about GMOs. lol, not really nightmares. But at that time, I kept having to check to make sure this was in fact a -Democratic-Underground. It was surreal, like arguing with boneheaded rethugs...highly frustrating. I haven't seen the main contributors from then on here lately.

Don't want to jinx that!

But there are others now, I know. Like the recent proGMO/anti-antiGMOers thread in GD. I didn't even click on it. Life is too short...

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
33. Well spoke. "Can you eat a GMO without dying?" Isn't the only question.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 12:26 PM
Sep 2015

But hey, I haven't been called "anti-science" yet today. I think the Monsanto troopers have me on ignore, though.

--imm

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
8. 84 billion for junk food and animal feed...
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:10 PM
Sep 2015

Makes me wonder where that puts our nation's poor in the pecking order of things.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
14. Where are the defenders of GMOs
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:31 PM
Sep 2015

who always post here based on wishful thinking and nothing in the way of long term observations?

"They can't possibly be harmful because... science."

Sounds a lot like "X can't possibly be right because ... Jesus."

The "GMOs are Great" crowd has a lot in common with the "God is Great" crowd; specifically, deep and abiding faith and a willingness to believe in what they wish were true.

PatSeg

(47,413 posts)
16. Actually Binkie
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 03:46 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Wed Sep 2, 2015, 06:19 PM - Edit history (1)

the pro GMO folks who often show up here, appear to be professionals. It does not appear ideological, more likely they are paid to infiltrate the boards by Monsanto or Syngenta. Most are working out of the same playbooks, so they are easy to recognize and ignore.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
27. Ha!
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 08:17 PM
Sep 2015

Indeed. That was shocking, his betrayal. I do wonder how much he got. It must have been a big bundle, in an offshore account of course.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
32. There is a better way
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 02:11 AM
Sep 2015

We need a complete conversion of the agricultural systems.
It will not be fast, easy, or cheap.
The issue is too important to let corporations control make the decisions.


This is only the beginning – hope to spend the time to expand

Sustainable production – less input – co2 sequestration – no gmo's


Start with

Allan Savory – Ted Talk

http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change

Then
Gabe Brown
Soil health

This talk is directed to farmers that have a anti-environmental bend – so less emphasis on environmental issues – when speaking to a more enlightened group his talk is less country twang and more science based

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=gabe+brown+soil+health&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=4145088DB3EF49DFB8CF4145088DB3EF49DFB8CF


Mike Hands – this is only a little info on this subject – see the full documentary

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mike%20hands%20inga%20frontline&qs=n&form=QBVR&pq=mike%20hands%20inga%20frontline&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&mid=46F489526F819D99DF6E46F489526F819D99DF6E



People to start with

Allan Savory
Gabe Brown
Mike Hands
Michael White

Concepts to start with

monoculture
alley cropping
no-till
cover crops
mob grazing
soil health
local production
crop diversity
composting
green manure


Other issues

Is it wise to send our soil to feed livestock in other countries
where do farm subsidies go and is that where they should go
are big agri-businesses promoting a form of agri that is sustainable
where is the rain – where is the agriculture


Other resources





Much more to come

If you want more science try Dr. Jill Clapperton

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=gabe+brown+soil+health&form=HDRSC3&first=1#view=detail&mid=A0CCD0CA92DCF1C4A621A0CCD0CA92DCF1C4A621


The problems with big agri corps and their products

Michael White vs Monsanto –

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017282430


Mike Hands – more about inga

http://www.ingafoundation.org/mike-hands/




Ted Talk on neighbor gardens

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017281878



food variety

http://www.upworthy.com/we-used-to-have-307-kinds-of-corn-guess-how-many-are-left


4000 potato varieties

http://cipotato.org/potato/facts/




rice – 40,000 varieties

http://www.riceassociation.org.uk/content/1/10/varieties.html



Apples

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/04/heritage-apples-john-bunker-maine

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