First Mobile Hydrogen Fueling Station Opens in Tokyo

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A fuel-cell car is seen at Japan’s first mobile hydrogen fueling station, which opened Tuesday in Tokyo. —Nippon
Mobile Hydrogen Station Services LLC

Jun Hongo | Mar 24, 2015 | Wall Street Journal Blogs

Japan’s first mobile fueling station for hydrogen-powered cars opened for business Tuesday.

The opening of the new station, operated by Nippon Mobile Hydrogen Station Services LLC, signals progress in the building of a network of fueling stands for fuel-cell cars, but it might be some time before long lines are seen. A company spokeswoman told Japan Real Time there was only one customer on the opening day.

There are 13 hydrogen fueling stands in Japan according to the hydrogen fuel station operator, but the mobile station only costs about ¥200 million ($1.67 million) to ¥300 million, about half the price of setting up a station.

The mobile station, located in Tokyo’s Chiyoda ward, is open on weekdays from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. It can carry enough fuel for about five vehicles, and takes approximately three minutes to fill up a tank. A kilogram of hydrogen sells for ¥1,200. Toyota Motor Corp. Mirai can carry 4.3 kilograms in its tank, enough to run 650 kilometers...

Continue: http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2015/03/24/first-mobile-hydrogen-fueling-station-opens-in-tokyo/



^ That's the complete cycle- sometimes people only use the first part- electrolysis to make H2. Other times the whole cycle is used. This must be pointed out because apparently some "assume" way too much

[Gregorian]

1. You really are wasting your energy on this forum. We aren't stupid here.

And before you post your typical links and blather, I'm an engineer who studied this stuff in advanced thermodynamic courses. Please take your corporate crap and go away. You're doing the world a disservice.

[NYC_SKP]

3. Amazing, isn't it?

It's really very basic science, but a surprising number of people fall for it.

[dumbcat]

4. Another engineer here

that has also worked on fuel cell development and applications. The pap that is presented by certain posters here, and lapped up by some others, just makes me shake my head. Notice that there are very rarely any accurate cost figures? And the so-called "experts" that can't keep the terms for energy and power straight? (sigh).

[Gregorian]

5. I was working on a fuel cell with a new nano architecture until fracking.

We think we had a ground breaking design that could bridge the gap between now and the time in which we are fully on board with renewables. But, after we had completed the design and patent, we literally dropped it knowing that it would promote fracking even further.

For anyone wanting to hear about the hydrogen future from one of the world's foremost fuel cell scientists, Ulf Bossel, here's a Google search that will reveal quite a bit with very little looking.

https://www.google.com/search?num=100&safe=off&q=Ulf+Bossel&spell=1&sa=X&ei=rfESVcDsJcjeoATOtYCgAw&ved=0CBsQvwUoAA&biw=1398&bih=778

[NYC_SKP]

8. Thanks for that!

I must admit, the more I learn the more disappointed I am with some of the proponents, like Amory Lovins. Sheesh, Amory!

[NYC_SKP]

11. Yay! I was looking for this graphic and thanks to you I found it. H2 vs BEV efficiency.

[Gregorian]

12. That's the graphic explanation of why Bossel says "push electrons, not molecules".

Hey, I'm not that bright. I just try to sort the truth from the chaff. I'm so glad that helped.

[NYC_SKP]

2. Lemme see: It's a truck carrying enough for just FIVE cars to fill up? $1.6M? Are You Shitting Me?

Please.

Boy, Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron, BP, Conoco Phillips and their friends in the auto industry are sure eager to trap suckers into an expensive hydrogen habit, aren't they?

And your grade-school graphic leaves out important information, like the inefficiencies and losses at each stage and the true power requirement. Hydrogen storage, for example, requires a lot of energy and there are loses at the electrolyzer and the fuel cell. Also, that incoming o2 had better be scrubbed, or you'll have to replace the fuel cell stack.

AND, you DO know, don't you, that NATURAL GAS reforming is used for most hydrogen production, don't you?

Today, 95% of the hydrogen produced in the United States is made by natural gas reforming in large central plants.

http://energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-production-natural-gas-reforming

[caraher]

6. Almost hilariously bad

You'd think the numbers came from someone explaining why this is a Very Bad Idea. But of course the article says these are "cheap" so never mind the numbers themselves...

You'd be hard-pressed to come up with a price for a top-end public EV charging station that is north of $20k, by comparison.

[NYC_SKP]

9. Level 2 home charger, under $1,000 plus installation. H2, forget home refilling. They'll own you.

I don't know why the member thinks they can convince anyone here that the Hydrogen revolution is anything more than a power play by fossil fuel interests to keep us addicted to a supplier.

Sad that DOE supports this but glad that they support PHEVs, EREVs, and BEVs far more than the H2 vehicles that aren't even for sale.

[NickB79]

7. "That is the complete cycle"

For about 5% of all hydrogen produced, yes it is.

For the other 95%, you need to replace the solar panel with a nice, picturesque fracking well.

But that's just a teeny, tiny issue we shouldn't concern ourselves with, I'm sure.

[NYC_SKP]

10. List of battery electric vehicles sold in the US, and all can charge at your home or work!

I won't list each one, just the manufacturer names.

BMW
Scion
Chevrolet
Honda
Volkswagon
Fiat
Nissan
Mitsubishi
Smart
Kia
Tesla
Mini Cooper
Mercedes Benz
Toyota

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=1984&year2=2016&vtype=Electric

How many Hydrogen vehicles are on the market, and why the hell would anyone want one?