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Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:56 PM

Jon Stewart rocks.

In this interview with Al Gore from last night, Jon pulls no punches regarding Al's recent pocketing of $70M for selling his network to al-Jazeera, a mouthpiece for the emir of Qatar and OPEC.

Stewart asks, "Can mogul Al Gore co-exist with activist Al Gore?", after which Al ties his tongue in knots trying to explain how oil is sustainable:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-30-2013/exclusive---al-gore-extended-interview-pt--1

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Reply Jon Stewart rocks. (Original post)
wtmusic Jan 2013 OP
Nihil Feb 2013 #1
kristopher Feb 2013 #2
Nihil Feb 2013 #3
joshcryer Feb 2013 #4
joshcryer Feb 2013 #5

Response to wtmusic (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:57 AM

1. "ties his tongue in knots trying to explain how oil is sustainable"

Goes nicely with people around here celebrating the increase in consumption of dirty coal
"as a stepping stone to more renewables" (not to mention the support for the dirty gas that
is a vital keystone of increased wind energy, irreplaceable in the timescale in which the
CO2 levels go through the roof).


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Response to Nihil (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:41 AM

2. Still peddling that nuclear lover's myth?

It isn't true. Full paper available at link:


Cost-minimized combinations of wind power, solar power and electrochemical storage, powering the grid up to 99.9% of the time
Abstract
We model many combinations of renewable electricity sources (inland wind, offshore wind, and photovoltaics) with electrochemical storage (batteries and fuel cells), incorporated into a large grid system (72 GW).

The purpose is twofold:
1) although a single renewable generator at one site produces intermittent power, we seek combinations of diverse renewables at diverse sites, with storage, that are not intermittent and satisfy need a given fraction of hours. And
2) we seek minimal cost, calculating true cost of electricity without subsidies and with inclusion of external costs.

Our model evaluated over 28 billion combinations of renewables and storage, each tested over 35,040 h (four years) of load and weather data. We find that the least cost solutions yield seemingly-excessive generation capacity—at times, almost three times the electricity needed to meet electrical load. This is because diverse renewable generation and the excess capacity together meet electric load with less storage, lowering total system cost. At 2030 technology costs and with excess electricity displacing natural gas, we find that the electric system can be powered 90%–99.9% of hours entirely on renewable electricity, at costs comparable to today's—but only if we optimize the mix of generation and storage technologies.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378775312014759

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Response to kristopher (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:32 AM

3. Still peddling unicorn poo in the disguise of reality?

As I said,
>> ... support for the dirty gas that is a vital keystone of increased wind
>> energy, irreplaceable in the timescale in which the CO2 levels go
>> through the roof.

Note the total absence of any "this will NEVER work" comment and a clear
pointer that things that have a "only this happens somehow" clause in
their claims are (literally) blowing smoke.

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Response to wtmusic (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:24 AM

4. Painful to watch.

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Response to wtmusic (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:28 AM

5. I just realized. This is the "offset mentality."

Well, we might have done it better ourselves, but it's better to just let someone else do it better since they have bigger pockets. It's partially market-oriented nonsense. "The sustainability of capitalism." I'll have to read this book.

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